Small Pot on turn

Tryptamean · #1 10-01-2007, 09:43 PM

Villian is fish 43/11/.6

Stove tells me I have about 25% equity vs. the top 11% of hands. However, my experience is that this will be AA/TT or Ax most of the time, but that does not change my equity much. Anyway, I suppose a c/c is in order, one more c/c if I catch a pair, and b/3b if I hit my straight...

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Turn: (2.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

milesdyson · #2 10-01-2007, 09:55 PM

definite c/c imo. you'll see TT/55/22/AA a good amount. bet the river if you improve - he'll call with AJ+ and you can 3-bet the times he donkchecked the flop.

mplspoker · #3 10-02-2007, 12:56 AM

i bet turnh, and fire river only if i improve to pair or str8

Kobecarter · #4 10-02-2007, 09:04 PM

c/f > b/f >>>> c/c

jba · #5 10-02-2007, 11:17 PM

"i bet turn"

YOU ARE THE REASON THEY DO THIS

Leader · #6 10-03-2007, 12:03 AM

Seems like an easy c/c. Say he has TT. We hit on the river about 1/5. After he bets the pot is 3.25. 2BB IO (conservatively). So we make 5.25 18.18% of the time. And lose 1 the rest. EV = 1.77BB. This will be the same for the rest of his big hands. When he has AK our IO are less but we have more outs. So it off sets more or less.

Betting doesn't work because villain isn't folding. He either has the nuts or big A/PP, and it isn't for value.

vmacosta · #7 10-03-2007, 04:06 AM

"EV = 1.77BB"
factors of ten are deceptive. this call is close and is only good if you c/f the river even if you make a pair, i think.

Leader · #8 10-03-2007, 05:04 AM

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"EV = 1.77BB"
factors of ten are deceptive. this call is close and is only good if you c/f the river even if you make a pair, i think.

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I thought there was something wrong with that too. One to many "-". Anyway it's .14BB, which is obviously a lot closer. I'd still c/c though. I doubt this guy bets the weak side of his range twice so you can fold if you pair up. In fact he'll probably just check some of that stuff through and we'll never have to think about it.

whodaman · #9 10-03-2007, 05:08 AM

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c/f > b/f >>>> c/c

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wow really??

we have 8 outs here min. like 100% of the time. Getting 3.25-1 and tons of implied odds. I think people are giving way too narrow a range here. This is AK AQ etc a lot. A lot more combos of Ax than sets etc.
We have 14 outs here a lot and should def be calling.
vs unknowns i think default should be c/c turn and bet river if we improve.

vmacosta · #10 10-03-2007, 04:21 PM

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"EV = 1.77BB"
factors of ten are deceptive. this call is close and is only good if you c/f the river even if you make a pair, i think.

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I thought there was something wrong with that too. One to many "-". Anyway it's .14BB, which is obviously a lot closer. I'd still c/c though. I doubt this guy bets the weak side of his range twice so you can fold if you pair up. In fact he'll probably just check some of that stuff through and we'll never have to think about it.

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leader, what about b/f river if we pair? i think this might be ok. I think b/3b if we make a straight is also possibly the best line too. i guess it all depends on how much to discount Ax.