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Old 07-06-2007, 02:26 PM
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The push in hand 1 sucks
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Old 07-06-2007, 02:49 PM
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Old 07-06-2007, 02:54 PM
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The push in hand 1 sucks

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I wouldnt go that far. The only way it really sucks is if he has AA and a smaller raise may have gotten more action.
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Old 07-06-2007, 03:02 PM
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The push in hand 1 sucks

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I wouldnt go that far. The only way it really sucks is if he has AA and a smaller raise may have gotten more action.

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It makes no sense not to look at the other card. Pushing A5o for 13bbs or so with 5 ppl left to act behind him is not good.
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Old 07-06-2007, 03:15 PM
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Default Re: An Observation About Hellmuth From The $1500 w/Rebuys

Which do you think he meant:

"I had a good enough hand (AQ) to call vs. your range b/c I know you make over-aggressive (bad) pushes."

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"There is no difference between stealing the blinds and 3-betting an Eagle so I put you on A4 again."
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Old 07-06-2007, 03:41 PM
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The push in hand 1 sucks

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I wouldnt go that far. The only way it really sucks is if he has AA and a smaller raise may have gotten more action.

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It makes no sense not to look at the other card. Pushing A5o for 13bbs or so with 5 ppl left to act behind him is not good.

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I thought he was the hijack....ok its a difference, but its going to be close to +EV anyway because of the antes and because people play a bit tighter when you push for 15x the BB, even though you don't really have that much because of the antes.
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Old 07-06-2007, 03:53 PM
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The push in hand 1 sucks

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I wouldnt go that far. The only way it really sucks is if he has AA and a smaller raise may have gotten more action.

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It makes no sense not to look at the other card. Pushing A5o for 13bbs or so with 5 ppl left to act behind him is not good.

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I thought he was the hijack....ok its a difference, but its going to be close to +EV anyway because of the antes and because people play a bit tighter when you push for 15x the BB, even though you don't really have that much because of the antes.

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I guess it could be +ev, i dont know. But personally I'd rather open fold or make a standard raise rather than shove here.
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Old 07-06-2007, 08:30 PM
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I guess it could be +ev, i dont know. But personally I'd rather open fold or make a standard raise rather than shove here.

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Any Ace is marginally +ev if the rest of the table is reasonably tight (AJ+,77+), but I think you waste AQs, AK, AA here often enough that it is just silly to push without looking. Once you see that first A, it is definitely a leak to jam the 1/20 times you get dealt AA.
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Old 07-06-2007, 08:48 PM
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I guess it could be +ev, i dont know. But personally I'd rather open fold or make a standard raise rather than shove here.

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Any Ace is marginally +ev if the rest of the table is reasonably tight (AJ+,77+), but I think you waste AQs, AK, AA here often enough that it is just silly to push without looking. Once you see that first A, it is definitely a leak to jam the 1/20 times you get dealt AA.

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I would probably push Axs or A9o+, but it might be OK to push Axo. I agree that you want to look at your other card atleast to see if it is an A,K, or Q. I really don't like standard raising A4o in this position and stack size.
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:57 PM
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Default Re: An Observation About Hellmuth From The $1500 w/Rebuys

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I guess it could be +ev, i dont know. But personally I'd rather open fold or make a standard raise rather than shove here.

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Any Ace is marginally +ev if the rest of the table is reasonably tight (AJ+,77+), but I think you waste AQs, AK, AA here often enough that it is just silly to push without looking. Once you see that first A, it is definitely a leak to jam the 1/20 times you get dealt AA.

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Maybe. I think a standard raise is a dead giveaway that it's a monster, though, and I'm just as comfortable jamming here with any A including AA.
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