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Old 11-30-2007, 11:55 PM
DougShrapnel DougShrapnel is offline
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Default Pope blames atheism for all the worlds problems.

After all the flack theism is rightfully getting for the suffering it causes the Pope fires back. Saying that atheism has lead to the "greatest forms of cruelty and violations of justice"

He goes on to talk about Marxism, and it's Marx's dogma that cuased suffering not his atheism. Religious Dogma, Political dogma causing the greatest from of cruelty and violations of justice. Yup.

"A world marked by so much injustice, innocent suffering and cynicism of power cannot be the work of a good God,"
Well duh pope, you ever think that because there isn't a good God? Everything I see can't be bad because of God, so it must be atheists.

"It is no accident that this idea has led to the greatest forms of cruelty and violations of justice," he wrote. "A world which has to create its own justice is a world without hope." Terrible.

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Old 12-01-2007, 12:32 AM
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"A world marked by so much injustice, innocent suffering and cynicism of power cannot be the work of a good God,"


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The inhabitants of this earth create the injustice and innocent suffering. The inhabitants of this earth have it in their power to eliminate it. Why should God be held responsible for its existence and mans choice not to eliminate it?

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Old 12-01-2007, 12:40 AM
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Default Re: Pope blames atheism for all the worlds problems.

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"A world marked by so much injustice, innocent suffering and cynicism of power cannot be the work of a good God,"


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The inhabitants of this earth create the injustice and innocent suffering. The inhabitants of this earth have it in their power to eliminate it. Why should God be held responsible for its existence and mans choice not to eliminate it?

Stu

[/ QUOTE ]Well, Ratzinger is trying to blame it on atheism.

The pope also writes "We must do all we can to overcome suffering, but to banish it from the world is not in our power, Only God is able to do this."
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:44 AM
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Default Re: Pope blames atheism for all the worlds problems.

Karl Marx was a great thinker and economist. While I don't fully agree with him, and especially don't agree with many of his current followers, I think blaming him for what Stalin did is just wrong.

People in the US and UK have been greatly brainwashed about Marx's ideas. I wonder how many of the people that think like you have actually read Marx's work.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:54 AM
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Default Re: Pope blames atheism for all the worlds problems.

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Well, Ratzinger is trying to blame it on atheism.

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Perhaps he said thats because athiestic regimes have caused more suffering than theistic ones.

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The pope also writes "We must do all we can to overcome suffering, but to banish it from the world is not in our power, Only God is able to do this."

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Its in the power of man to eliminate innocent suffering(e.g. children straving because the invading army burned the crops). Its not in man's power to eliminate all natural suffering(e.g. children straving becuase a locust investation destroyed the crops)

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Old 12-01-2007, 12:57 AM
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Default Re: Pope blames atheism for all the worlds problems.

Crusades, inquisition, Bible condoning slavery, racism, homophobia, etc.

I can't believe that in modern society this nonsense is given any respect at all.
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:27 AM
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Default Re: Pope blames atheism for all the worlds problems.

The pope is one of the worlds problems.
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:27 AM
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Default Re: Pope blames atheism for all the worlds problems.

ABC did a crappy job reporting that. Here is a more complete excerpt

"The atheism of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries is -- in its origins and aims -- a type of moralism: a protest against the injustices of the world and of world history. A world marked by so much injustice, innocent suffering, and cynicism of power cannot be the work of a good God. A God with responsibility for such a world would not be a just God, much less a good God. It is for the sake of morality that this God has to be contested. Since there is no God to create justice, it seems man himself is now called to establish justice. If in the face of this world's suffering, protest against God is understandable, the claim that humanity can and must do what no God actually does or is able to do is both presumptuous and intrinsically false. It is no accident that this idea has led to the greatest forms of cruelty and violations of justice; rather, it is grounded in the intrinsic falsity of the claim. A world which has to create its own justice is a world without hope. No one and nothing can answer for centuries of suffering. No one and nothing can guarantee that the cynicism of power, whatever beguiling ideological mask it adopts, will cease to dominate the world."

The Pope claims that athiesm is a type of moralism and then uses the arguments of an athiest to back that claim up.

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Old 12-01-2007, 01:32 AM
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Bible condoning slavery

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Actually, The Bible not only condones but encourages everything you said and more. Murdering foreigners or unbelievers, stealing from them (goods, virgin girls, slaves), pillaging their cities, gang banging their gives wives; genocide, beating slaves; death toll for: adulterers, unmarried daughters that have had sex, and those who work on the sabbath, etc, etc....
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:44 AM
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Well, Ratzinger is trying to blame it on atheism.

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Perhaps he said thats because athiestic regimes have caused more suffering than theistic ones.

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mao and stalin pale in comparison to the religious zealotry that destroyed so many lives. from the crusades to the holocaust to the opression in Sudan, religion taken too far has killed millions and millions lives lost due to a disagreement of faith. furthermore "atheist regimes" have mostly killed not because they are atheist, but for other political/social reasons, can you say the same of theist regimes?
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