Thin value/protection/whatever - 5/10

[Morrek]

Villain is 38/19. I don't remember him donking me before. I've been aggressive

***** Hand History for Game 5819973557 *****
$ 1,000 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 29, 16:48:01 ET 2007
Table Table 125473 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 4: STRANGEler ( $ 1,334 USD )
Seat 5: Thenome666 ( $ 501.50 USD )
Seat 6: Ziebed ( $ 1,524.25 USD )
Seat 3: TS1976 ( $ 0 USD )
STRANGEler posts small blind [$ 5 USD].
Thenome666 posts big blind [$ 10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ziebed [ Qs Qh ]
Ziebed raises [$ 35 USD]
STRANGEler folds.
Thenome666 calls [$ 25 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, 9c, Ts ]
Thenome666 bets [$ 30 USD]
Ziebed raises [$ 99 USD]
Thenome666 calls [$ 69 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
Thenome666 checks.
Ziebed bets [$ 368 USD] (puts him all-in)

[DJ Sensei]

umm... ehhh..... i dont know, seems a little spewy. what about check behind and call a river bet on safeish cards?

[Morrek]

you noticed its 3 handed btw? just checking

[Christophers]

Ehh I don't really like the flop at all, I know it's a real small donk bet but I'd have just called. As played I agree with DJ.

[mungpo]

I'd rather check the turn.

[Morrek]

Problem is I have no idea what card helps him and what doesn't. When he donks into me I feel like he definitely has a draw/weak middle pairish type hand a lot. And thus, I raise flop for value/protection. He calls, which I expect him to do a lot. Now on the turn, an ace is less likely for him, and also it's a card on which he might think the same thing about my hand and thus call me down with a T or JJ or something. You guys don't agree?

Also, flop donk is like less than half-pot.

Edit; do you not like it because he'll fold too much with worse hands or call too often with better hands? or something else?

[BobboFitos]

looks good to me

[Christophers]

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Edit; do you not like it because he'll fold too much with worse hands or call too often with better hands? or something else?

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Pretty much, and getting shoved on by a draw would suck. I'd just treat his minibet as a check and see it as checking behind, which is a pretty good option on that flop. Especially vs a donk who probably doesn't read hands well.

[Fight Club]

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Problem is I have no idea what card helps him and what doesn't. When he donks into me I feel like he definitely has a draw/weak middle pairish type hand a lot. And thus, I raise flop for value/protection. He calls, which I expect him to do a lot. Now on the turn, an ace is less likely for him, and also it's a card on which he might think the same thing about my hand and thus call me down with a T or JJ or something. You guys don't agree?

Also, flop donk is like less than half-pot.

Edit; do you not like it because he'll fold too much with worse hands or call too often with better hands? or something else?

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your giving him too much credit for a draw w/o a good enough read. He can easily have and ace here and this is a spew. That said I like the flop. I guess it might be a thin value bet on the turn, but I don't know the history.

[Fight Club]

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Edit; do you not like it because he'll fold too much with worse hands or call too often with better hands? or something else?

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Pretty much, and getting shoved on by a draw would suck. I'd just treat his minibet as a check and see it as checking behind, which is a pretty good option on that flop. Especially vs a donk who probably doesn't read hands well.

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If they check the flop here I like a bet, b/c if not you have to call a turn bet and won't have any idea what he's got.