San Fransisco bans Plastic bags from Grocery stores

[TomCollins]

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Local government doing things that the people living there probably mostly support, because if they didn't they certainly wouldn't choose to live in San Francisco. Who cares?

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I actually have to agree with this. The "love it or leave it" thing doesn't hold any legitimate ground with the Federal government, but with local government it's pretty different. It's really not hard to move your ass to the municipality that's right for you in this county.

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So if the majority in San Fran voted to require that every residence be installed with a working government issued video camera which transmits data to a central database, would that be okay too? Like you say, if the minority doesn't like it, they can just move.

Do I understand your position correctly?

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I don't think most ACists really *like* any of these positions, they just prefer when they are done locally to when they are done nationally.

[JackWhite]

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Local government doing things that the people living there probably mostly support, because if they didn't they certainly wouldn't choose to live in San Francisco. Who cares?



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So if the majority favors a policy, the government should enact it and force it on everyone else? Isn't that in total contradiction to everything you've ever written on this site?

[AlexM]

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Local government doing things that the people living there probably mostly support, because if they didn't they certainly wouldn't choose to live in San Francisco. Who cares?



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So if the majority favors a policy, the government should enact it and force it on everyone else? Isn't that in total contradiction to everything you've ever written on this site?

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I care very little about what local governments are doing. I certainly don't approve of this law, but people from San Francisco need to do what's right for them and it's ultimately none of my business. If it's something that's a national trend, like smoking bans, I'm certainly going to get a bit more riled about it, but seriously anyone who doesn't expect this crap out of San Francisco just isn't paying attention, and I have no sympathy for anyone who chooses to live there.

Now if this were a federal law, it would be extremely oppressive and completely unacceptable, but local and San Francisco? Who cares?

[PLOlover]

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Now if this were a federal law, it would be extremely oppressive and completely unacceptable, but local and San Francisco? Who cares?

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aren't normal light bulbs being phased out, and you'll have to buy fluorescent energy efficient ones? I'm against that because
a) much more expensive
b) the fluorescent ones are slightly radioactive, so if you drop and break one you've got a big mess on your hands.

[PLOlover]

costco doesn't even give you bags, and last time I went I only got one box, everything else was free in the cart.

fine by me, btw.

[jogsxyz]

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Local government doing things that the people living there probably mostly support, because if they didn't they certainly wouldn't choose to live in San Francisco. Who cares?



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So if the majority favors a policy, the government should enact it and force it on everyone else? Isn't that in total contradiction to everything you've ever written on this site?

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What majority? It wasn't put on the ballot. The stupid supervisors enacted it.

[ALawPoker]

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Local government doing things that the people living there probably mostly support, because if they didn't they certainly wouldn't choose to live in San Francisco. Who cares?

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If people mostly supported it, people would do it anyways. Stores that provided these tree huggers with their hippie bags would have an edge over stores that didn't.

But it's a classic case of wanting something you aren't necessarily willing to pay for. Stores haven't made this decision on their own, because as much as people may mildly prefer hippie bags to dirty plastic bags, they don't prefer it enough to cover 15 cents a bag. So it's just people using government to force stores to give them what they aren't willing to pay for. As an ACist, you have no problem with that? You too hmk?

[AlexM]

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As an ACist, you have no problem with that? You too hmk?

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I have no problem with people in other communities living their lives how they choose. However oppressive a local community might be, the same things will happen in AC land anyway. And I certainly don't have the right to tell them how to live their lives. As long as it's decentralized to local levels, no, I really don't care a ton.

[hmkpoker]

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Local government doing things that the people living there probably mostly support, because if they didn't they certainly wouldn't choose to live in San Francisco. Who cares?

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If people mostly supported it, people would do it anyways. Stores that provided these tree huggers with their hippie bags would have an edge over stores that didn't.

But it's a classic case of wanting something you aren't necessarily willing to pay for. Stores haven't made this decision on their own, because as much as people may mildly prefer hippie bags to dirty plastic bags, they don't prefer it enough to cover 15 cents a bag. So it's just people using government to force stores to give them what they aren't willing to pay for. As an ACist, you have no problem with that? You too hmk?

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You could say the same thing of HOA's and condo associations, which pretty much behave like mini-governments, except for the fact that they are so decentralized and mobility is so easy that ACists all seem to recognize the social contract with them as legitimate.

you can pigeonhole me into the "ACist" label if you want, but honestly I'm just interested in breaking up the federal government. If the states (or better yet municipalities) had sovereignty, I think that would be a huge improvement.

[ConstantineX]

Are you (dangerously) posting again, HMK?