Beat: Stars seized my funds, closed account

[El_Hombre_Grande]

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Let me preface this by saying that we usually do not discuss individual's accounts with other people. However, when someone is publicly saying things that are untrue and could result in people getting the wrong impression about our site, we will defend ourselves by stating facts. I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points.

- His account is closed.
- This had nothing to do with transfers to/from another player, or any other fraud issue.
- The emails posted are a total fabrication
- He has not spoken with Stephen in Game Security about this issue.

This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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Let me preface this by saying, slack post sir. I don't believe you can be that good at your job to know theres NO DOUBT a mistake isn't being made somewhere. Way to consider helping the guy btw. I don't even care if he is guilty, why don't you do your god damn job and try help him. If there is some other evidence either say it or dont say anything because saying 'I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points' is bs, we get that enough from AP.

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Uhh, I got precisely the exact opposite read.

OP says "X."
PS says "WTF, absolutely not true, you POS," pretty much immediately.
OP runs with tail between his legs.

You somehow decide that this means PS is wrong.

[apefish]

Since this exact thread is in every damn forum... here is what I posted in the zoo in two replies.

First..

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This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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How hard was it to read this sentence guys. Seriously.

Edited to add: the guy clearly rolled his backers, thought he could get away with a lie in doing it and got completely and utterly owned by Stars support.
1) the guy's account is closed. that much of his story is true.
2) Stars is saying the other elements of the story are false.



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Then this as a followup.

I didn't mean to sound snippy in tone- its late at night etc.

But I think there is a very straightforward reading of that very specific and inclusive sentence.
Not much at all makes sense about OP's story to be honest.
I've dealt with scammers before and the first thing they do is seek to hand out a story that makes some sense- especially if you dont ask questions about it.
In this instance OP is relying on his own statements to stars as the basis for his story.
It's genius really.
He is taking a "good act" of his and turning it into something that is being used against him what... a year later?
"Hey these guys didn't do anything about this when I told them but now WOW LOOK THEY STOLE MY MONEY."

Except Stars comes here and says specifically "the account is closed, everything else he has said is complete [censored] imo".

The classic scam is a story that makes just enough sense you want to believe it despite the opposing side being much more straightforward and believable.
Look at what OP asks Stars support after they own him.
"now tell me you've never ever lied to anyone" essentially.

It's classic scame mode.
Lie until you get caught... then call the other side the liar.

Stars isn't going to come here and post specifics about his account. Especially if they've done nothing.
Not nothing wrong, NOTHING AT ALL.

They have a guy saying "Stars did this to me" and Stars responds with "no we didn't, liar."

What more do you want?

Edited by apefish (11/16/07 06:48 AM)

[MarvinMartian]

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Let me preface this by saying that we usually do not discuss individual's accounts with other people. However, when someone is publicly saying things that are untrue and could result in people getting the wrong impression about our site, we will defend ourselves by stating facts. I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points.

- His account is closed.
- This had nothing to do with transfers to/from another player, or any other fraud issue.
- The emails posted are a total fabrication
- He has not spoken with Stephen in Game Security about this issue.

This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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Let me preface this by saying, slack post sir. I don't believe you can be that good at your job to know theres NO DOUBT a mistake isn't being made somewhere. Way to consider helping the guy btw. I don't even care if he is guilty, why don't you do your god damn job and try help him. If there is some other evidence either say it or dont say anything because saying 'I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points' is bs, we get that enough from AP.

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Uhh, I got precisely the exact opposite read.

OP says "X."
PS says "WTF, absolutely not true, you POS," pretty much immediately.
OP runs with tail between his legs.

You somehow decide that this means PS is wrong.

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Actually I think the guy is guilty. It almost excuses the PS support post that blatantly didn't care about the poster. I never decided that PS was wrong, in my first post I even said I don't care if he is guilty. my problem is, I hate this part parcel stuff in their explanations. I don't equivelate PS with AP at all, I just want full answers. If they can't explain something for a good reason but are responding at least explain it. Otherwise all we have is the word of support staff. They might as well just say "trust me" if they don't give disclosure of what happened.

This is my only problem with what was said " I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points." So what,we have to assume they are omniscient and we cannot question this?

To me, it never feels right to damage someones credibility without an explanation. At least if I'm wrong in how I've judged this post, people are full aware of how I wrongly judged it through my faulty explanation. /rant

[El_Hombre_Grande]

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Let me preface this by saying that we usually do not discuss individual's accounts with other people. However, when someone is publicly saying things that are untrue and could result in people getting the wrong impression about our site, we will defend ourselves by stating facts. I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points.

- His account is closed.
- This had nothing to do with transfers to/from another player, or any other fraud issue.
- The emails posted are a total fabrication
- He has not spoken with Stephen in Game Security about this issue.

This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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Let me preface this by saying, slack post sir. I don't believe you can be that good at your job to know theres NO DOUBT a mistake isn't being made somewhere. Way to consider helping the guy btw. I don't even care if he is guilty, why don't you do your god damn job and try help him. If there is some other evidence either say it or dont say anything because saying 'I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points' is bs, we get that enough from AP.

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Uhh, I got precisely the exact opposite read.

OP says "X."
PS says "WTF, absolutely not true, you POS," pretty much immediately.
OP runs with tail between his legs.

You somehow decide that this means PS is wrong.

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Actually I think the guy is guilty. It almost excuses the PS support post that blatantly didn't care about the poster. I never decided that PS was wrong, in my first post I even said I don't care if he is guilty. my problem is, I hate this part parcel stuff in their explanations. I don't equivelate PS with AP at all, I just want full answers. If they can't explain something for a good reason but are responding at least explain it. Otherwise all we have is the word of support staff. They might as well just say "trust me" if they don't give disclosure of what happened.

This is my only problem with what was said " I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points." So what,we have to assume they are omniscient and we cannot question this?

To me, it never feels right to damage someones credibility without an explanation. At least if I'm wrong in how I've judged this post, people are full aware of how I wrongly judged it through my faulty explanation. /rant

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Huh? You understand what a "fabrication" is , right? They called him a LIAR to his face in front of all of us and he ran with his tail between his legs. That's about as blunt and straightforward and immediate as you get. If you want details, ask Ortega. I'm sure he'll supply you with further BS without evidence.

After this guy tried to profit by turning Tony Bigcharles into some kind of clown act I really has no patience for him anyway.

[Gonso]

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Let me preface this by saying that we usually do not discuss individual's accounts with other people. However, when someone is publicly saying things that are untrue and could result in people getting the wrong impression about our site, we will defend ourselves by stating facts. I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points.

- His account is closed.
- This had nothing to do with transfers to/from another player, or any other fraud issue.
- The emails posted are a total fabrication
- He has not spoken with Stephen in Game Security about this issue.

This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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Let me preface this by saying, slack post sir. I don't believe you can be that good at your job to know theres NO DOUBT a mistake isn't being made somewhere. Way to consider helping the guy btw. I don't even care if he is guilty, why don't you do your god damn job and try help him. If there is some other evidence either say it or dont say anything because saying 'I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points' is bs, we get that enough from AP.

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There's a difference between overlooking something, and disputing the OP's entire story outright. To refute the basic claims doesn't require full disclosure of every detail to you or the public. OP is obviously a scammer, and frankly PS did us all a service while defending themselves. For some reason you seem to think that you're entitled to his entire account history and documentation, or else it must be a cover up... lol.

If this turns out to be a whole big scandal where Stars cheated this guy, then I'll specifically point out your post for it's awesome wisdom, but otherwise it was kind of a silly post. Another random nobody went busto, tried to put the scam on and Stars responded pretty directly, end of story.

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[ ] OP with 40 posts' credibility
[x] Pokerstars' credibility

[Dorkus Malorkus]

lol at OP for perpetrating this scam on the one site most likely to resolve the issue quickly and out him as a scamming little turd.

he should obv have run the scam on AP or something and people would have believed anything he'd written.

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[ ] OP with 40 posts' credibility
[x] Pokerstars' credibility

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[JH1]

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Let me preface this by saying that we usually do not discuss individual's accounts with other people. However, when someone is publicly saying things that are untrue and could result in people getting the wrong impression about our site, we will defend ourselves by stating facts. I will not discuss exactly what occurred with his account, but I will clarify a few points.

- His account is closed.
- This had nothing to do with transfers to/from another player, or any other fraud issue.
- The emails posted are a total fabrication
- He has not spoken with Stephen in Game Security about this issue.

This player's account is currently closed, but other than that, everything that he has posted is absolute and total fabrication.

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from OPs point of view what the hell is the point of making this thread?