$109 - early - river valuebet turns into bluff

[catcher193]

PokerStars Game #11102070828: Tournament #56066096, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/07/23 - 23:12:03 (ET)
Table '56066096 27' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: packsthe45 (3850 in chips)
Seat 2: dbl_up_mojo (2970 in chips)
Seat 3: soy@horrible (2970 in chips)
Seat 4: nvestr21 (4180 in chips)
Seat 5: kamodadragon (2910 in chips)
Seat 6: agcpa (2970 in chips)
Seat 7: BillyBizzle (2500 in chips)
Seat 8: DaEmbezzler (2670 in chips)
Seat 9: catcher3333 (10500 in chips)
BillyBizzle: posts small blind 10
DaEmbezzler: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to catcher3333 [Ah As]
catcher3333: calls 20
packsthe45: folds
dbl_up_mojo: folds
soy@horrible: calls 20
nvestr21: calls 20
kamodadragon: folds
agcpa: folds
BillyBizzle: calls 10
DaEmbezzler: checks
*** FLOP *** [3c 5c 4c]
BillyBizzle: checks
DaEmbezzler: checks
catcher3333: checks
soy@horrible: checks
nvestr21: checks
*** TURN *** [3c 5c 4c] [Js]
BillyBizzle: checks
DaEmbezzler: checks
catcher3333: bets 100
soy@horrible: folds
nvestr21: calls 100
BillyBizzle: folds
DaEmbezzler: folds
*** RIVER *** [3c 5c 4c Js] [Qs]
catcher3333: bets 300
nvestr21: raises 450 to 750
catcher3333: raises 9630 to 10380 and is all-in

unknown

I know this isnt really high stakes, but, I think this hand makes more sense here.

[b-komplex]

i don't usually post in high stakes but wtf is going on in this hand? it all seems quite bad...

Edit to not be a dick - you have a huge stack in level 1 and obv have a different style than me or prob most on the board. I'll give you a pass on the rest of the hand but the river I think you only get called there if you are beat badly. Esp. against an unknown in level 1. I think maybe a 4-bet to say 1500 would be much better here.

[Cornell Fiji]

lol @ you posting this hand for a second opinion in HSMTT. I won't repeat my comments. I don't want to influence your feedback. I am glad that you decided not to convert the hand this time around either.

[catcher193]

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I am glad that you decided not to convert the hand this time around either.

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k

[nath]

So I don't like PF, flop is okay, turn is fine I guess, but I'm not crazy about potting it. And river... well... wow.

[ZJ123]

river= wtf?

[8Adam8]

Your river thoughts:

"He wouldn't check flop, just flatcall turn, then raise river with a flush?"

Either way its a donkament and ppl do weird things and never fold anything, so i dont like

[mikeJ]

River, lol.

You're risking ~3800 to win 1350. No way an unknown who raises two pair on the end is going to fold ~73% (3800/5150) of the time.

[catcher193]

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You're risking ~3800 to win 1350.

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no way!

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No way an unknown who raises two pair on the end is going to fold ~73% (3800/5150) of the time.

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If I had to guess, he folds two pair 65%-95% of the time IMO, I just can't figure out if a flush is in his range.

[luckychewy]

awful

flushes are definitely in his range