some questions about calling small stack pushes late

[Semtex]

I've been observing some of the winning regs at the 16s and 27s to see if they are doing anything radically different from me to merit my low ROI and have concluded that they have 15% ROIs while mine is around 5% because I suck at racing on the bubble and ITM. All joking aside, one thing I was noticing today from a 15% winner was his loose calling of short stacks late, which I stay away from. Here is an example:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB (t1750)
BB (t3765)
UTG (t7105)
Button (t880)

The player in question is BB, and he called the button's push with like J5o or something. There were other hands where it was still 6 handed and he was calling UTG pushes from people who had 4ish BB with the same trashy hands. He is priced if its going to be a 60-40, but isn't calling off a quarter of your stack with what will probably be the worst hand bad in these spots?

[ParadiceCity]

depends on the range you put the button on, this is a marginal call

[Semtex]

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depends on the range you put the button on, this is a marginal call

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its plus EV to call in the example above if you think button is pushing ~70% or more, which is not out of the question at all, but what about the other hands I mentioned? Is someone really pushing 70% or more 6 handed UTG, even with only 4BB?

[Semtex]

ok nm, something I didn't realize is the more players there are the more EV these calls become, no matter how tight the shorty is poushing. could this matter of passing up on calls alone though cause a huge shift in ROI?

[octaveshift]

t880 + t100 + t200= t1280 in the pot.

It's only t680 for the BB to call.

That's essentially 2:1, and I'd call with any 2 in this particular spot. (Given stack sizes.)

[Semtex]

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t880 + t100 + t200= t1280 in the pot.

It's only t680 for the BB to call.

That's essentially 2:1, and I'd call with any 2 in this particular spot. (Given stack sizes.)

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Its actually 680 to call to win 1180 which isn't quite 2-1. Also I thought calling with any two getting 2-1 was good for MTTs and not SNGs, at least in this spot where you are risking more or less 25% of your stack?

[santiagoz]

In this example, the utg cl should be powning the bubble. So,the bb wants to eliminate the short to finish the bublle soon to don´t lose many cheaps.

[Guthrie]

The winning regulars are killing me at the 16s by making incredibly loose calls in situations like this. When I put the hands in SNGPT, I'm hugely +EV to push against any range, and they're hugely -EV to call, even if I'm pushing any two, but call they do, and either hold up or suck out with stunning regularity.

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t880 + t100 + t200= t1280 in the pot.

It's only t680 for the BB to call.

That's essentially 2:1, and I'd call with any 2 in this particular spot. (Given stack sizes.)

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Its actually 680 to call to win 1180 which isn't quite 2-1. Also I thought calling with any two getting 2-1 was good for MTTs and not SNGs, at least in this spot where you are risking more or less 25% of your stack?

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Sorry, I screwed up the math.

That said, I think it's close enough that I probably call here if I think my cards are live.

Keep in mind I never said this was the right play- just what I would do.

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[RRizGod]

I make calls like this all the time. Especially against good SNG players. I know there range will be wide. If I'm getting 2-1 and have a big chip stack, I will make loose calls.