Learning stud hi lo

[Taso]

thanks for the explanation rusty.

I just trippled up in my nl hold 'em game, so I'm going to try out a cheap ($2) stud SNG. It seems as if no one wants to play though, just me and another guy sitting here waiting for 6 more players.

Anyone reading this sees "Tasocles" sitting waiting for a stud SNG, join in :P

[Andy B]

Actually, I think I've played stud/8 heads-up four times, with that as my only win. I do like my chances against Hellmuth in a heads-up cash game, but I would definitely need the ol' iPod.

[MayfairClubGuy]

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I usually buy in for 25 BB and reload somewhere between 15 and 20 BB. I want enough in front of me that I can cap every round if I see fit. My local room has a five-bet cap, but four is pretty much universal online.

The score in question was about $4000 at $30/60 stud/8 in 2002. About half of that was won heads-up against an extremely terrible player between about 7 am and 10 am after everyone else went home.

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As an aside, you know that Mike Matusow has offered to stake anyone willing to play Hellmuth HU at Stud/8. I've always wanted to run into them at a tournament and see if he was serious. You'd be an even better choice for the Mouth to stake. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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Matusow will stake someone ?? Really ?? Hell, in 1990 I was tearing up the WSOP stud 8/better satellites. Beat Hellmuth 3 satellites running until he threw a chair at me.

I am VERY game for this.
I only wish I could believe it was true.

[RustyBrooks]

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In any case, if I'm doing $.50/1.00 hi-lo stud whats a good buy in?


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There is no real benefit to playing a limit game short stacked because you can't apply any more pressure on your opponents than with a larger stack, for the most part. The advantage (?) of a small stack in no limit is that you can make someone decide preflop or on the flop whether they want to continue the hand with no more options to outplay you. With a small stack in limit you still have to get it all in which is going to take the co-operation of the other player, unless you have less than 1bb.

I won't play with less than the amount that I'd need to cap every street, so in a stud game that's 4bb for 5th 6th and 7th and 2bb for 3rd and 4th, a total of 16bb, so for .5/1 that's $16. It's an arbitrary rule but you just never know when someone's going to come along and make it worth your while. Biggest pot of my life (limit) was 50bb and I was glad that I had enough in front of me to keep raising.

If you're playing live, see what other people are buying in with. I like to blend in and not have 2-3x as much as everyone else. In live games people often buy in way way too low for some reason (the standard buyin for $4/$8 at a place I play sometimes seems to be $100 which is only 12bb. At that place I'll usually buy in for 160). Anyway I generally try to not do anything at the table that will point out that I'm paying attention, thinking about poker, etc, etc.

Online people usually just buy in for the default which is often way too low. On FTP the default is 10bb I think. I usually just double it and start with 20bb. I used to always buy in for 50bb but I soon realized there was no point, I can just rebuy if I get low and it makes me look weird to have 3x as much as anyone else when I sit down.

[Ray Zee]

learning lots of games makes you well rounded and a better all game player. stud/8 is a game when played against much weaker players nets you lots of easy money.
plus when learning it is plenty of fun. and having fun at poker is good. practice reading hands as thats the key to winning in poker. good luck.

[Paul77]

I wrote a book for low-stakes stud 8 players, "How to Beat Seven Card Stud Eight-or-Better at the Lower Limits." It's an e-book; it was all set to be published but that fell through with the UIGA last fall. But stud 8 thrives online, and it's a great game. You can get the book at booklocker.com, ebookmall.com, or you can drop me a line and I'll send you a copy. I sent out a few copies to the folks on this forum, so am happy to send you one for free. It's about 250 pages, and includes handy odds tables prepared by Dr. Paul Dreyer of the RAND institute to help you discern if that low is really worth going for or not.

Good luck on the felt - say hi on Stars, I'm Parrothead77.

Take er easy,
Paul