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Old 08-19-2007, 05:11 AM
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Old 08-19-2007, 05:24 AM
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The "call a standard raise, shove over a 3bet" move almost always screams "I have a mid pair up to JJ at best".
Everyone else in the hand can pretty much play perfectly as a result. For that reason I'd prefer a call, although I think it's better to 3bet yourself in the first place.
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Old 08-19-2007, 05:29 AM
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i mean i'd be all for shoving if the squeezer was a total idiot but vs most i think calling is best cause when stacks go in you will basically never be a favorite.
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Old 08-19-2007, 06:08 AM
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fold > shove > call?

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just in terms of preflop... i think call > fold > shove

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I like call>shove>fold more.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:02 AM
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I think it is very unlikely that someone tries a squeeze play against 3 players with the original raiser UTG. So I would put him on a strong range TT+/AK maybe AQs and if he is prepared to call your shove with this range you will be 45/55 small underdog, which is much better than I thought. Even against KK+/AK you’re still only a 40/60 underdog. With all the money that is already in the pott it is probably best to shove.

Shove > call > fold
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:09 AM
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The "call a standard raise, shove over a 3bet" move almost always screams "I have a mid pair up to JJ at best".
Everyone else in the hand can pretty much play perfectly as a result. For that reason I'd prefer a call, although I think it's better to 3bet yourself in the first place.

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the "call a standard raise, overcall a standard reraise" move almost always screams "I have a mid pair up to JJ at best"
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:11 AM
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No real history with wynn but basically i just have to be ahead of him....

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are u saying ur surely ahead of the of the UTG opener?
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:45 AM
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The "call a standard raise, shove over a 3bet" move almost always screams "I have a mid pair up to JJ at best".
Everyone else in the hand can pretty much play perfectly as a result. For that reason I'd prefer a call, although I think it's better to 3bet yourself in the first place.

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the "call a standard raise, overcall a standard reraise" move almost always screams "I have a mid pair up to JJ at best"

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Yes, but is QQ+ not going to make a continuation bet on a board of 5 8 J against two callers? Given the size of the pot and stacks you're going to be called all-in regardless of how much it screams that you've probably hit a set based on your preflop call.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:57 AM
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I don't think he'll mind too much if we call an additional 13% of effective stacks to chase a set
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:12 AM
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Another vote for call > shove > fold
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