50nl - cold call with QQ?

[danny8]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $76.20
<font color="black">Hero (BB): $50.00</font>
UTG: $49.25
CO: $55.15
BTN: $49.20

<font color="black">Reads: </font><font color="blue">only been at the table ~5 hands so no reads on anyone [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1.75</font>, BTN calls $1.75, <font color="red">SB raises to $7.50</font>, Hero calls $7.00, 2 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($18.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $18.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $42.50</font>


is there any other way to play this hand? i kinda hate pf, but i cant think what else to do, shoving kinda sucks since we're prolly only getting called by AA/KK, and folding seems far too weak. calling really gives away our hand... then again since im unknown to him i could be doing it with anything as far as hes concerned. so.. standard?

any feedback appreciated, cheers!

[Atlanta Andrew]

Well played.

-Andrew

[ama0330]

This hand is so hard to play postflop on a flop just like this that I would consider making it $20 preflop and folding to a push. Sucks to lose the $20 when you get pushed on, but its a lot better than losing your whole stack.

[Jingleheimer]

I like your play- you didn't fold out weaker hands by reraising PF. If you reraise PF you still lose to AA or KK (which I assume is what you lost to here) but now fold out the weakies.

You got a c-bet out of the weaker hands on a flop that isn't that bad for you.

If you lost to AA or KK, consider it a cold-decking and reload. Action to this point is not heavy enough to put him on AA or KK specifically and you're not deep enough to find out w/out going AI.

[Chomp]

LMAO. I folded QQ TWICE this morning preflop to, let us say, modest heat.

I just had absolutely no clue what to do in either instance and let my inner nit guide me. Frankly, I don't mind either fold against total unknowns in both instances. Relative position clearly important in each case.

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">BB ($41)</font>
UTG ($41)
MP ($49.45)
CO ($113.32)
Button ($122.90)
Hero ($47.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $15</font>, Button folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $21.75

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Hero ($50.45)
UTG ($26.13)
MP ($50.53)
CO ($48)
<font color="#C00000">Button ($52.05)</font>
SB ($49.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2</font>, CO calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP folds, CO folds.

Final Pot: $11.75

[ama0330]

First hand standard, Second hand too tight without a read.

[thawannabe]

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This hand is so hard to play postflop on a flop just like this that I would consider making it $20 preflop and folding to a push. Sucks to lose the $20 when you get pushed on, but its a lot better than losing your whole stack.

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I like this line. My main problem is when he smooth calls w/ AA and sometimes KK since he will know by then the pot is heads up and may be looking to trap. Do we still play this flop hard?

[creamfillin]

Do we have odds for set value here?

[danny8]

[ QUOTE ]
Do we have odds for set value here?

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i dont think we have odds for set value... Im calling on the bases that hopefully he does this with AK, then i raise ai on any non A or K flop.

i really dont like raising to $20 and folding to a 5bet. Theres a chance he'll push with AK, or he might just be mental and have 99 etc. I think putting half our stack in for 'info' that may or may not be reliable at all isnt a great idea.

i know im getting stacked by AA/KK with this line all the time, which sucks, but hes unknown... if we give him a range of AQ+,JJ+ i think cold calling and getting it AI on a non A or K flop is an ok plan. At least we pick up a cbet from missed overs

[monkeymaps]

I like 4 betting pre and folding to a push like ama sugested. as played its pretty much the same as pushing pre you only get called buy AA KK. There is a remote possibilty that villian folds AA KK and puts you on a set but you can never count on that. guess SB could have JJ too.

Imo pushing flop is the same as pushing pre flop.