NL50 rivered J high flush in limped pot

[checktheriver]

BTN is a 75/15/0.7 fish, who calls too much.
Raise/call here ?

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $9.90
UTG: $78.50
MP: $234.95
Hero (CO): $53.15
BTN: $52.05
SB: $48

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.50</font>, BTN calls $1.50, SB folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($4.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2, BTN calls $2

River: ($10.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $2</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $25</font>, BB folds

[Profish2285]

I wouldnt raise here on this river if I wasnt prepared to call a 3 bet. As played its a call.

[yeotaJMU]

pretty hard to fold river w 3rd nuts... i think i call and hope he has a lower flush. if he is that fishy could easily make this bet with worth flush

[checktheriver]

No my question was do you raise/call the 3bet? There are straights and lower flushes possible, so I wouldn't fold, just asking if there's any value in a raise.

[genius55]

i would probably fold or raise
i really hate calling this, because u lose value from str8s and smaller flushes. it would help if u had some addiotional info on button seems like all 3 options are possible on river

[Profish2285]

How does only folding or raising make sense here? Hmm, if youre unsure if your hand is good, but theres a decent chance that it is lets just fold? Or, lets put even more money in that way if we are behind, we lost the most. No, as played you have to call the 25.

[L'ennemi.]

interesting spot because calling would be first reaction, but given the size of the pots, if you call you should probably be raising..
Given villain stats, he could have tons of combos made of suited connectors. I'm not sure, with Q high it's a clearly shove, but here I'm not sure

[Profish2285]

If youre not sure then just call. I dont see myself folding here because if this is ever a smaller flush then you just lost lots of ev. If its a bigger flush, then why put even more cash in here than necessary?

[genius55]

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How does only folding or raising make sense here? Hmm, if youre unsure if your hand is good, but theres a decent chance that it is lets just fold? Or, lets put even more money in that way if we are behind, we lost the most. No, as played you have to call the 25.

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in vacuum this makes sense, but I believe if you have a sense of game flow and how your opponent is playing you should be able to raise for value sometimes here though I admit folding is practically impossible with 3rd nut flush

[L'ennemi.]

of course, I'll never fold here.
And generally I' just call. But I doubt that just reraising with the Ace high flush is good as villain is never folding a flush in theses spot, so it's intersting to try to find the breaking point. And it should be around Jhigh or Qhigh