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Old 06-06-2007, 02:11 PM
losingdonkey losingdonkey is offline
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Default flopped combo draw

villain was 70/20/.7 after 5 hands or so. Should I 3bet shove this flop for added FE or do I not have enough edge like a open ender+flush draw? I don't think my raise is very good.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<u>hero (SB): $9.90</u>
<font color="black">BB: $10.00</font>
<u>UTG: $5.60</u>
<font color="black">CO: $12.25</font>
BTN: $2.05

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> hero is dealt 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BTN folds, hero calls $0.05, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($0.40) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">hero bets $0.40</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">UTG raises to $1.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">hero raises to $2.45</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $5.50</font>, hero calls $3.05
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Old 06-06-2007, 02:14 PM
Atlanta Andrew Atlanta Andrew is offline
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Default Re: flopped combo draw

Your 3-bet on the flop should be all-in. You want to maximize your fold equity here.

-Andrew
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Old 06-06-2007, 02:16 PM
ssdex ssdex is offline
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Default Re: flopped combo draw

3bet shove.....
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Old 06-06-2007, 02:20 PM
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Default Re: flopped combo draw

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Your 3-bet on the flop should be all-in. You want to maximize your fold equity here.

-Andrew

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Fold equity ??? You do realize that hero is a favorite here, right ??


Pushing might or might not be the right play, but the reason for this is not maximizing fold equity
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Old 06-06-2007, 02:24 PM
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Default Re: flopped combo draw

Against what range is hero a favorite? Against big Aces, we are a dog.
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Old 06-06-2007, 02:30 PM
Atlanta Andrew Atlanta Andrew is offline
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Default Re: flopped combo draw

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Your 3-bet on the flop should be all-in. You want to maximize your fold equity here.

-Andrew

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Fold equity ??? You do realize that hero is a favorite here, right ??


Pushing might or might not be the right play, but the reason for this is not maximizing fold equity

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Lol, so just because hero is a favorite, we don't want villain to fold? That makes no sense.

We want villain to make a mistake. With pretty much any range of hands villain has, he's going to be making a mistake by folding his hand since hero only has a draw (even if hero is a slight favorite) due to pot odds.

There are lots of reasons we want to get the money in here, but the main difference between a small raise and an all-in raise is that the all-in raise has a higher chance to make villain fold.

-Andrew
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Old 06-06-2007, 02:34 PM
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Default Re: flopped combo draw

i've been thinking about FE when we are favored to win the pot a decent amount because it seems to come up often and I think its a matter of whether the added FE makes the play more +EV than the edge we have in equity alone.
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Old 06-06-2007, 04:29 PM
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Fold equity ??? You do realize that hero is a favorite here, right ??


Pushing might or might not be the right play, but the reason for this is not maximizing fold equity

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ure not understanding that even though we are +EV if he calls, we are +++EV when he folds.
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Old 06-06-2007, 04:50 PM
tarheeljks tarheeljks is offline
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Default Re: flopped combo draw

we are also a dog if he has Ax of spades
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Old 06-06-2007, 05:34 PM
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i call his raise, putting him on AX and it may
well be suited spades.
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