Stars $55 regular, BB special

[cha59]

Indy & I disagree on how this hand should have been played.

The options are:

A. Lead out on the flop
B. Checkraise the flop
C. Play as it played out here



PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1535)
UTG+1 (t2610)
MP1 (t2055)
MP2 (t1590)
CO (t1725)
Button (t1370)
SB (t1115)
Hero (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, MP2 calls t30, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t15, Hero checks

Flop: (t90) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets t90</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, Hero calls t90

Turn: (t270) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets t90</font>, Hero calls t90

River: (t450) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

[Indiana]

If anybody says C/R, I think it would be interesting to see how they would play the turn/river. I'd personally pop the turn very hard if he flat called me, and likely get it in the middle on the end, even if I don't hit.

Indy

[joeynav]

I usually play my draws passively and hope they hit or just let them go. I think most other moves are just to fancy for a STT, unless you have a dead-on read.

[HighestCard]

I like leading out on the flop because of the possibility of takeing the pot now and maybe gettting a free card on the turn.

[cha59]

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I like leading out on the flop because of the possibility of takeing the pot now and maybe gettting a free card on the turn.

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Keep in mind we're out of position on the turn, so there wont likely be a free river if he calls &amp; we check the turn.

[wiggs73]

I voted for D, but it was a mistake, sort of...

I think you have 2 options here, 1 would be to lead out and the other would be to check-fold in this particular instance.

In practice, I'd almost always lead out here for 2 reasons. 1 is it disguises your hand which makes it easier to extract chips from other hands when a 3rd diamond hits. 2 is that it gives you a way to pick the pot up immediately, and will probably work often when all that happens pre-flop is 1 MP player limps and the SB completes. I can see both players folding often enough so that leading would be profitable, even if you never hit your flush when you get called or raised.

The reason I voted D is because after checking, I would just fold for a pot sized bet. I don't care that it's small relative to your stack; pot odds are pot odds and you aren't getting correct odds to call. I know a lot of people will say, well what about implied odds. But if you check-call down to the river and a 3rd diamond hits, do you really think you're getting paid off? I think the CC line makes your hand fairly transparent and so I'm playin pot odds here more than implied odds. I'd be more inclined to call chasing a draw in a cash game anyway, where I can reload to a full stack after I miss.

If you check and MP does something goofy like min-bet, I would probably check-raise for the same reasons I would lead out. An additional reason I like check-raising a small bet more than a large one, is that you achieve the same effect for less chips. If villain calls a meaningful check-raise to his pot sized bet and the turn blanks, you're going to be in an awkward situation where you've put in ~300 chips, are out of position, and have king-high.

[bennies]

wiggs, nice post.

(I also voted to fold by the way)

[XraySpeX]

Without reading any responses.... i check and fold to the pot sized bet on the flop because you aren't getting odds and if you hit your hand there aren't really any implied odds.

XraySpeX

[bingobongo]

i would play the flop as you did and check the turn as well.after his weak turn bet i would reraise to 350. that should win the hand there and completely disguise our draw.if he repops i would fold,if he calls i would push any river.may be unorthodox,but keep them guessing...

[The Yugoslavian]

I'd bet flop. If I checked and faced a pot bet I'd fold.

Yugoslav