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Old 11-10-2007, 11:35 PM
Yoshi63 Yoshi63 is offline
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Default Stars nightly - isolating shortstack w/ JJ otb

Shortstacker has been aggressive as a shortstack, open raising most his stack like this a lot. No reads on the blinds.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 (t1405) <--- shorstack
MP2 (t5675)
MP3 (t885)
CO (t3910)
Hero (t6995) <--- me w/ JJ
SB (t8325) <--- yet to act
BB (t3100) <--- yet to act
UTG (t2650)
UTG+1 (t5715)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t1234</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero...?

Do you:
a) call
b) raise (how much?)
c) shove

If a) or b), what do you do if SB shoves?
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:21 AM
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Default Re: Stars nightly - isolating shortstack w/ JJ otb

Would calling here and folding to SBs push be a bad play? If BB pushes snapcall.
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:24 AM
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Default Re: Stars nightly - isolating shortstack w/ JJ otb

if u flat u gotta snap both SB and BB shove
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:29 AM
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Default Re: Stars nightly - isolating shortstack w/ JJ otb

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if u flat u gotta snap both SB and BB shove

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I'm being results oriented here, obviously, but what do you suppose SB's isolation shove range is?

Also, what do you do between limp/calling, raise/calling, and shoving?
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:33 AM
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Default Re: Stars nightly - isolating shortstack w/ JJ otb

call and then fist pump snapcall both blinds' shoves
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:41 AM
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Default Re: Stars nightly - isolating shortstack w/ JJ otb

The raise is big enough so that you can call without worrying about a call behind. If it's not that big, then I usually minraise 100% of the time in these spots.

Of course call if someone shoves.
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:41 AM
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Default Re: Stars nightly - isolating shortstack w/ JJ otb

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Would calling here and folding to SBs push be a bad play? If BB pushes snapcall.

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Yes it'd be terrible, their range is just way too wide.
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Old 11-11-2007, 02:02 AM
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Default Re: Stars nightly - isolating shortstack w/ JJ otb

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The raise is big enough so that you can call without worrying about a call behind. If it's not that big, then I usually minraise 100% of the time in these spots.

Of course call if someone shoves.

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Would you make this same play w/ TT or 99? How low a pair, and which big aces do you take this line, or would you take another line with slightly weaker holdings?
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Old 11-11-2007, 04:05 AM
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Default Re: Stars nightly - isolating shortstack w/ JJ otb

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call and then fist pump snapcall both blinds' shoves

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LDO
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Old 11-11-2007, 04:06 AM
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Default Re: Stars nightly - isolating shortstack w/ JJ otb

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The raise is big enough so that you can call without worrying about a call behind. If it's not that big, then I usually minraise 100% of the time in these spots.

Of course call if someone shoves.

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If it were less (say 700-800-ish) I will min-raise 100% of my range here (that isn't a fold) for obvious reasons.
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