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Old 12-01-2007, 02:37 PM
Mike MacIntosh Mike MacIntosh is offline
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Default Squeezing w/ KK and getting a gross flop

Sat down less than 10 hands ago, so no reads.

Do you C-bet this flop? Why or why not?

Do you check and try to get value out of your hand w/o a read?


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UTG: $95
MP: $188.60
CO: $204.25
BTN: $365.65
SB: $200
Hero (BB): $214

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG calls $2, 2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $10</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $34</font>, UTG folds, BTN calls $24

Flop: ($71) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ???
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:39 PM
Benzooor Benzooor is offline
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Default Re: Squeezing w/ KK and getting a gross flop

I think you have to cbet this flop, as gross as it is to your hand, because he's calling your 3bet with alot of hands that are scared of this flop too.

I'd b/f ~$55
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:40 PM
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Default Re: Squeezing w/ KK and getting a gross flop

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I think you have to cbet this flop, as gross as it is to your hand, because he's calling your 3bet with alot of hands that are scared of this flop too.

I'd b/f ~$55

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This is not a reason to c-bet. Check it and see what he does.
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:40 PM
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Default Re: Squeezing w/ KK and getting a gross flop

10 hands is something... some sort of read???

w/o a read i think its best to just try to take it down, with some more info we could get fancy schmancy
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:41 PM
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Default Re: Squeezing w/ KK and getting a gross flop

You're the aggressor pre flop so AA,QQ,AK,AQ etc are all big parts of your range. Give him the tough decision. If he wwants to play back at you he's basically going to have to risk all his chips.


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Old 12-01-2007, 02:43 PM
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Default Re: Squeezing w/ KK and getting a gross flop

So, we're basically turning our hand into a bluff. A bluff which I might add never folds out a better hand, and almost never gets a call by worse.
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:47 PM
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So, we're basically turning our hand into a bluff. A bluff which I might add never folds out a better hand, and almost never gets a call by worse.

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if we had a read or had some idea of what he'll do if we check, then yeah, cbetting would be bad. But since we have no idea, i think the least worse option is just to cbet.
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:48 PM
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So, we're basically turning our hand into a bluff. A bluff which I might add never folds out a better hand, and almost never gets a call by worse.

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If we check he can lead at us with his entire range and we have no clue where we stand.
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:48 PM
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So, we're basically turning our hand into a bluff. A bluff which I might add never folds out a better hand, and almost never gets a call by worse.

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If we check he can lead at us with his entire range and we have no clue where we stand.

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if he's betting at us everytime we check the best play by far is to check.
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:50 PM
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So, we're basically turning our hand into a bluff. A bluff which I might add never folds out a better hand, and almost never gets a call by worse.

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If we check he can lead at us with his entire range and we have no clue where we stand.

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if he's betting at us everytime we check the best play by far is to check.

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Yes but this is player dependant and we have no idea about this guy.

Checking just asks him to bet at us and then what do we do with no reads out of position in an inflated pot?

C-Bet makes our hand so much easier to play.
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