Adrian Peterson is not Overrated, statistical comparison CTaylor - AP

[Russ M.]

Also of note: I'm glad Vikings have taken AP out of kickoff return doodies.

[Leaky Eye]

Some of these anti-ADP points are just plain wrong. ADP is NOT a boom or bust runner. He has 158 carries so far this year and 10 of them are greater than 20 yards. Even if you pretend those ten carries never happened he would still have 3.84 yards per carry! There is your hypothetical 4 yds 100% of the time guy. Only he also busts huge runs.

The reason he has some low totals is the rest of the offense can't do anything. One of those games cited in this thread was the Dallas game. MN completed SIX PASSES in that game. Yet ADP still had 5.3 ypc. He only got 16 carries because MN couldn't hold the ball due to the rest of the offense.

ADP is having the best season in the NFL by far right now. He is the only thing a defense has to stop and they still can't. I honestly can't believe a running back can have an impact like that.

[BillNye]

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Also of note: I'm glad Vikings have taken AP out of kickoff return doodies.

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actually the big return (allison) was in part due to a fake lateral to Peterson right after he caught the ball, bit of trickery on the Vikings part, but yes Peterson was involved a tiny bit, thank god no returns tho.

Leaky Eye summed up a lot of what I have been trying to say, a good offense will produce better running backs in a statistical sense. For example: Edge James on the colts = Elite, Edge James on the Cards = meh (I know hes had a nice bounce back year but their team has improved not just him).

Right now Peterson is on the Vikes, a team DEAD LAST in passing offense. Everybody knows they will run and he still is putting up the best #'s in the league. That isnt variance, that's the best pure runner in the league.

[THAY3R]

Dude there are things called offensive line and defense.

[BillNye]

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I honestly can't believe a running back can have an impact like that.

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Exactly, when you look at running backs you think, wow Joseph Addai is having a great year. Than you plug Kenton Keith in for him to spell and replace him when he was injured and your saying, jeez he put up some good #'s too. It's hard to determine what is a good player and what is a good system.

When I watch running backs I look at what they make out of what they are given. On 1 long run today Peterson was given a big hole (cant remember which TD it was w/o reviewing the tape... anyways, he juiced that hole for every yard and then took it the extra mile for the TD.

Last week against the Eagles he was given nothing, on 1 play I remember him having to juke 1 man in the backfield and then shake off another a few seconds later all for a loss of 1 yard. On that specific play the offense didnt / wasnt allow to give him alot, he still produced a -1 instead of a -4.

Anybody can run between gaping large holes, and all RBs should typically have the upper hand heading into the first man, its difference between making him miss 70% of the time to 55%.

Back to Addai - Keith, I know that over the long term Addai will produce alot more than Keith because he is a better player. But if you look at the difference between Peterson and Taylor (who is better than Keith) its insane. 2.2YPC, 8 more plays than Taylor over 50 yards in just half a season?
Coming into the draft I said if CLE passes on him he will be there pending trade up. No way ARI goes after him w/ Edge's HUGE deal still in effect. Well I was right and at the time I wanted him because he was the BPA. Part of me was still saying tho, 7th pick is alot to give for a guy who will only be .5 ypc better than his backup. Well Peterson isnt just .5 ypc better than Taylor, he's .5 ypc better than anybody else in the league, and 2.2 ypc better than Taylor.

If you plug any other RB into Minnesota, nobody will have the success that Peterson has had, simple as that. Besides inexperience the only other thing on him is "he might get injured." As I said before, same with everybody else, I understand his running style might give him more of a risk we'll have to see. Every RB gets injured sometime, you just have to hope it isn't too serious.

[BillNye]

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Dude there are things called offensive line and defense.

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I dont know what this is reference too but if you are discrediting Peterson due to "him having a good offensive line" you are the exact person the original post was aimed towards, and you obviously didnt read it.

Does the offensive line block 2.2yards worth longer for Peterson compared to Taylor? Does the offensive line say, hey Peterson think you can have 8 runs and 1 reception for 50 or more yards in 9 games even tho Taylor only got 1 run for 50+ in a full season?

Plz read OP.

[THAY3R]

Feel free to offer some prop bets on AP's next 8 games.

[apefish]

While AP has one of the best left sides to run behind in the NFL- he is running wild on all sides of his line now.
He also sees the hole and gets thru it better than almost any back in the league already- or creates them by hurdling people.
He's constantly moving downfield. He runs thru,past,and around defenders better than anyone in the league right now.

For those thinking peterson is somehow a 0,1,0,2,40 guy-

His last 17 rushes from today...

6,64T,5,-2,6,10,13,5,16,19,5,3,12,46T,7,35,3.

when he goes for zero- it's often on plays the average nfl back would lose two on.

[BillNye]

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Feel free to offer some prop bets on AP's next 8 games.

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You still dont get what I'm saying. Unless your interested in a "Adrian Peterson will make more out of nothing than anybody else" type of bet.

I dont have faith to place a bet that would require the Vikings to do well in considering they are most likely going to play with their 3rd string QB next week. I never said that I think the Viking's are going to do well, I sung praises about Adrian Peterson. The Vikings held LT under 50 yards, does he suck or did his team suck resulting in him appearing to suck? If the Viking suck (likely) Peterson wont reach the #'s necessary to win whatever bet you would do.

He owns the record for the most rushing yards in a game ever, when Reggie Bush or whoever else is "your guy" that is so much better gets within 200 yards rushing on the season than we can begin to talk... in other words:






I'm not even entirely sure what your trying to argue but I think that its safe to assume whatever it is, if your arguing against Peterson, your losing the argument.

[vhawk01]

I will bet Thayer that I get 37 more hardons from watching ADP run in the next 8 games. I will lay 2:1 even, thats how confident I am.