Day 1 ME Hand - The Trouble With Small PPs

Just back from the dinner break at 200/400/a50.

My table is mostly psychotic. There was one player who was previously providing most of the action, but he just busted out before the break losing about 150BBs with top pair. Before the round started, I asked where everyone was from at the table and the responses went something like this: "Germany, Sweden, Norway, Germany, England, England, Finland, Ireland, New Jersey."

Villain in the hand was NOT from Jersey, but seemed to be a good, solid TAG. He'd only played about 3 hands in 3 orbits.

Folded to Villain in the CO. He raises to 1500. Folded to me in the BB with 44 and about 14K behind (Villain covers with about 17K), I call.

Flop comes 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I check/call a bet of 2500 (thoughts on this?)

Turn comes a 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. There's 8700 in the pot, and I have 10K left.

I was planning to check/fold to another bet but this card was pretty interesting. What's the move?

[Ian J]

I would likely fold preflop because it's just an ugly spot on this type of flop so often. Also, there's no guarantee of getting your entire stack in if you flop a 4 because he raised from the back.

On the turn, I would lead all in just because it seems to be the least bad and you will almost surely have 8-10 outs a lot of the time if he has a hand he can call with.

[djk123]

I think preflop is okay given we are in the BB and there are antes.

[mclaughlin04]

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I would likely fold preflop because it's just an ugly spot on this type of flop so often. Also, there's no guarantee of getting your entire stack in if you flop a 4 because he raised from the back.

On the turn, I would lead all in just because it seems to be the least bad and you will almost surely have 8-10 outs a lot of the time if he has a hand he can call with.

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I agree w/Ian. I think if you're going to play the hand (which is marginal at best) you should be pushing the turn and if you get called you'll have outs.

The c/c on flop is meh. Only way I would make the play is if I were pushing the turn.

[Clayton]

fold pre imo

[Mr.WeakTight]

you have an M around 14. you don't need to push pre-flop; so this is a rare event indeed where Betgo gets it wrong. just because he's raising from the CO doesn't mean he doesn't have anything. you're not desperate. the problem with calling is you're out of position for the rest of the hand. you've also not got the direct pot odds to set mine and as someone else mentioned, you may not get paid off if you do hit due to your position. So I think it's a pre-flop fold but a call is not terrible.

on the flop I would fold. you missed your set. you're behind to too much stuff.

on the turn I would check. planning to fold unless the bet was too small. then I might try a check-raise all-in. you'll have 10 outs and he may fold.

[shaundeeb]

yah think this is a fold pf you need to basically garuntee to get stacks in if you flop a set. Also, I don't mind a shove if you've been snug people hate calling for soo many chips even though they are euro he could be weaktight since he's been inactive.

[betgo]

Push preflop. Push the turn.

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Push preflop

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[betgo]

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Push preflop

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That's how I play. 2600 in the pot and push 14K. The guy raised from CO, so he might not have a big hand.