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10-22-2007, 01:29 PM
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overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
Lately in low buy in MTTs I have taken to pushing my big hands preflop into small pots in the early stages...based on results I think it creates the most value and kills any reverse implied odds...I consistanly get called light by weak aces and suited connectors who are either just terrible at poker or non belivers...Usually I don't want to put too many chips at risk early so this strategy while seeming psychotic seems to work...also creates the crazy image with little risk...
examples are if I have AK suited or QQ in MP...3X raise and call I usually just push 1500 into 150 pot...get some muttering table comments but at the same time they don't know what to make of it... Any thoughts? 
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#2
10-22-2007, 01:32 PM
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Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
if you have a set then yes call or else fold.
if the board is all small cards and you bet and someone push then its hard to call even when you know that people get crazy with top pair. or an over card like 99
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#3
10-22-2007, 01:35 PM
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Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
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if you have a set then yes call or else fold. if the board is all small cards and you bet and someone push then its hard to call even when you know that people get crazy with top pair. or an over card like 99 [/ QUOTE ] huh? Is this in the right post kimos? I'm tlking about preflop pushing
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#4
10-22-2007, 01:38 PM
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Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
Can often work in the early stages of $3r - likely to get several callers.
I prefer raising to say 200 (10xBB) to get one caller. Then milk the pot pre-flop. Not sure if complete pushing is best value if you only get 3xBB in pot pf. If they are so loose they will call a lot more pf.
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#5
10-22-2007, 01:41 PM
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Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
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Can often work in the early stages of $3r - likely to get several callers. I prefer raising to say 200 (10xBB) to get one caller. Then milk the pot pre-flop. Not sure if complete pushing is best value if you only get 3xBB in pot pf. If they are so loose they will call a lot more pf. [/ QUOTE ] talking about non rebuys...problem is at the begiining a lot of bad players will call 10X and you will have a 4 or 5 way pot...if only one player calls your push ight I think we are better off than playing a strong hand multiway vs good knows what...the rebuy is a different animal because you can try to bt less to induce a push into you
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#6
10-22-2007, 01:42 PM
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Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
im sorry, i thought u were talking after the flop.
i dont understand your example... if you are in MP with AK or QQ and there is a raise and a call then i think pushing here is the right play with QQ. with AK i 3bet
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#7
10-22-2007, 01:45 PM
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Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
Still think bigger pf raise is the way to go. If I raise to 10xBB pf early in freezeout then very rarely will you get a big multiway pot.
Even 2 callers ain't bad coz you push flop and will 80% time get 1 caller here with weaker hand. This way you'll get a lot more value in the long run because you aren't exclusively relying on an all-in call to get chips whilst still keeping odds massively in your favour.
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#8
10-22-2007, 01:49 PM
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Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
I understand that if someone is already raising then yeah certainly push back.
I'm talking more generally and including you being the first to raise. Don't always feel you can massively overbet into a small pot and get value. Of course you can when there has been a raiser and a caller previously. This is very simple.
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#9
10-22-2007, 01:51 PM
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Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
actually with better players I would flat call with QQ this deep...pushing into a 150 pot for 1500 isnt my style but that's the whole point...here's an example where it backfired...very early in $12 turbo...note still only a minor backfire cause I won't love too many flops:
Poker Stars No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t10/t20 9 players UTG: t1380 UTG+1: t1500 Hero: t1500 MP2: t1500 MP3: t1500 CO: t960 Button: t1520 SB: t2200 BB: t1440 Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG calls t20 UTG+1 calls t20 Hero raises all-in t1500 8 folds Uncalled bets: t1480 returned to Hero. Final pot: t90
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#10
10-22-2007, 01:54 PM
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Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
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actually with better players I would flat call with QQ this deep...pushing into a 150 pot for 1500 isnt my style but that's the whole point...here's an example where it backfired...very early in $12 turbo...note still only a minor backfire cause I won't love too many flops: Poker Stars No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t10/t20 9 players UTG: t1380 UTG+1: t1500 Hero: t1500 MP2: t1500 MP3: t1500 CO: t960 Button: t1520 SB: t2200 BB: t1440 Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG calls t20 UTG+1 calls t20 Hero raises all-in t1500 8 folds Uncalled bets: t1480 returned to Hero. Final pot: t90 [/ QUOTE ] This is now a completely different situation and yes overbetting will get you nothing but a few snide comments or a snap call from a stronger hand.
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