OT: Trip Report: Saturday MTT at the Orleans

[CardSharpCook]

[ QUOTE ]
whaaa
whaaa
whaaa

[/ QUOTE ]

[Irieguy]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm just trying to help, no need to get defensive.

[/ QUOTE ]

One thing I feel compelled to add, as this topic is sort of my "thing," is that there is a big difference between Pineapple being candid about his tough spell and any random or semi-random STTFer posting about how they are the most unlucky person alive.

Pineapple became very well known among all of us who frequented the $55-$215 PartyPoker SNGs over the past few years as one of the very best SNG players out there. He was always honest about his results, and while he was posting profits of $5-10K every month... month after month, I frankly became skeptical that he was just another 2+2 wanker with a big ego on a heater. I even started to lay into him a bit in posts, and he returned my semi-veiled criticisms of his poker thinking with similarly thinly-veiled criticisms of my poker thinking. I remember one post in particular where we disagreed about how to appropriately weight the impact of impending blind increases and relative position with the other players on the bubble and that disagreement caused me to examine the topic at greater length and improve my understanding of some very key concepts in percentage-payout tournament theory.

Since then, I have had the opportunity to meet Pineapple in person and he is even more interesting and intelligent than his on-line persona lets on... and far less pompous and indignant. In fact, I would use the words "kind" and "humble" to describe him and I have had the opportunity to rely upon his trustworthiness in real life.

The point of my rambling a bit here is twofold: 1. This forum continues to be the preferred hangout of some of the coolest people I have ever met... and I'm old (in 2+2 terms) and have met a lot of people, and 2. If a regular poster who has been winning regularly for a very long time, sharing his results, and posting extraordinarily accurate and thought-provoking comments in hand threads starts to describe a horrible cooler...

HAVE THE COURTESY TO REFRAIN FROM TRITE AND CONDESCENDING REPLIES IN THEIR THREAD.

(Noodleman, this diatribe is not directed at you... it just happens that your comment was the one to which Pineapple objected. You are the nuts, too, and I would respect any honest disclosure of a particularly poor SNG run on your part to the same extent.)

One of the glaring shortcomings of this forum has always been the paucity of candid discussions about how professionals deal with preternaturally bad runs of cards. There's plenty of discussion about 'balling, plenty of talk about how high someone's ROI can or should be, and of course plenty of bad beat stories.

But as the throngs of young poker "pros" swell in number so does the need for a healthier collection of discussions about all of the things that can go wrong besides losing with AA 5 times in a row.

Perhaps the most significant obstacle preventing the development of such a collection is the sheer discomfort associated with braving those waters with the written word.

It is hard to write about losing without feeling like a loser. It is harder still if your comments are met instantly with snideness or dismissive ridicule. Now I hate bad beat stories and whining as much or more so than the next guy... but if a long term winner on this forum wants to express the pain of a cooler, I am interested in hearing about it. And that is NOT what BBV is for, as fun as it may seem to wrong-forum-police such exceedingly rare sentiments.

I am fortunate enough to be friends with a good portion of the biggest winners that post regularly on this forum, and I have heard their stories about how bad it can get. That's why my opinion about the limits of sustainable win rates are lower than what most people want to acknowledge... I like to make allowances for losing more than one would expect, from time to time.

So, Pineapple, or anyone else paying the bills with only or mostly SNGs for the past few years... keep us posted on how you get through the rough spells. It is helpful.

Irieguy

[Pudge714]

Irie,

Very nice post. Although I might change my opinion once I sober up. I agree with you about Pineapple, except by this point in time he is either running worse than anyone, or he has some leaks. Frankly it is probably both. I have not seen any of his HH's (which I would be happy to go over with a replayer), but I think realistically it is a combo of the two.

[hoyasnaxa]

Even if I begin reading a post of yours disagreeing with you, I end the post agreeing with you. You are a great writer, and should become king or emperor of this forum.

[pineapple888]

Huge props, dude... as the kids say. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

It really helps me a ton to hear these kind words, especially since I know you wouldn't say them lightly.

It's been said before, but please let me say it again... you are da absolut nutz.

[ QUOTE ]

Since then, I have had the opportunity to meet Pineapple in person and he is even more interesting and intelligent than his on-line persona lets on... and far less pompous and indignant. In fact, I would use the words "kind" and "humble" to describe him and I have had the opportunity to rely upon his trustworthiness in real life.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well there are definitely two sides to my personality. Fortunately I can choose to hang out with in real life so the bad side rarely comes out (especially since I left the corporate world).

Unfortunately I am not so lucky on this forum although I use the "ignore" function liberally. Sometimes I get aggravated enough to light into people like Noodleman who I actually like and respect, and whose intentions are in the right place. I always regret it afterwards.

I think we could all stand to be a little nicer to each other here. I'll certainly make the effort to do so. Making a living playing poker is difficult enough as it is.

[pergesu]

[ QUOTE ]
I think we could all stand to be a little nicer to each other here.

[/ QUOTE ]
Dude if you've learned anything from Irie, it's to be excellent to each other.

And if you've learned anything from me, it's to

PARTY ON DUDES!!!

[pergesu]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I'm just trying to help, no need to get defensive.

[/ QUOTE ]

One thing I feel compelled to add, as this topic is sort of my "thing," is that there is a big difference between Pineapple being candid about his tough spell and any random or semi-random STTFer posting about how they are the most unlucky person alive.

Pineapple became very well known among all of us who frequented the $55-$215 PartyPoker SNGs over the past few years as one of the very best SNG players out there. He was always honest about his results, and while he was posting profits of $5-10K every month... month after month, I frankly became skeptical that he was just another 2+2 wanker with a big ego on a heater. I even started to lay into him a bit in posts, and he returned my semi-veiled criticisms of his poker thinking with similarly thinly-veiled criticisms of my poker thinking. I remember one post in particular where we disagreed about how to appropriately weight the impact of impending blind increases and relative position with the other players on the bubble and that disagreement caused me to examine the topic at greater length and improve my understanding of some very key concepts in percentage-payout tournament theory.

Since then, I have had the opportunity to meet Pineapple in person and he is even more interesting and intelligent than his on-line persona lets on... and far less pompous and indignant. In fact, I would use the words "kind" and "humble" to describe him and I have had the opportunity to rely upon his trustworthiness in real life.

The point of my rambling a bit here is twofold: 1. This forum continues to be the preferred hangout of some of the coolest people I have ever met... and I'm old (in 2+2 terms) and have met a lot of people, and 2. If a regular poster who has been winning regularly for a very long time, sharing his results, and posting extraordinarily accurate and thought-provoking comments in hand threads starts to describe a horrible cooler...

HAVE THE COURTESY TO REFRAIN FROM TRITE AND CONDESCENDING REPLIES IN THEIR THREAD.

(Noodleman, this diatribe is not directed at you... it just happens that your comment was the one to which Pineapple objected. You are the nuts, too, and I would respect any honest disclosure of a particularly poor SNG run on your part to the same extent.)

One of the glaring shortcomings of this forum has always been the paucity of candid discussions about how professionals deal with preternaturally bad runs of cards. There's plenty of discussion about 'balling, plenty of talk about how high someone's ROI can or should be, and of course plenty of bad beat stories.

But as the throngs of young poker "pros" swell in number so does the need for a healthier collection of discussions about all of the things that can go wrong besides losing with AA 5 times in a row.

Perhaps the most significant obstacle preventing the development of such a collection is the sheer discomfort associated with braving those waters with the written word.

It is hard to write about losing without feeling like a loser. It is harder still if your comments are met instantly with snideness or dismissive ridicule. Now I hate bad beat stories and whining as much or more so than the next guy... but if a long term winner on this forum wants to express the pain of a cooler, I am interested in hearing about it. And that is NOT what BBV is for, as fun as it may seem to wrong-forum-police such exceedingly rare sentiments.

I am fortunate enough to be friends with a good portion of the biggest winners that post regularly on this forum, and I have heard their stories about how bad it can get. That's why my opinion about the limits of sustainable win rates are lower than what most people want to acknowledge... I like to make allowances for losing more than one would expect, from time to time.

So, Pineapple, or anyone else paying the bills with only or mostly SNGs for the past few years... keep us posted on how you get through the rough spells. It is helpful.

Irieguy

[/ QUOTE ]

My girlfriend wants to suck your dick. I'm not bringing her to Vegas, for obvious reasons. The ex-girlfriend, who I am bringing to Vegas, is more than likely not meeting you.

[Irieguy]

[ QUOTE ]

My girlfriend wants to suck your dick.

[/ QUOTE ]

Standard.

[ QUOTE ]
I'm not bringing her to Vegas, for obvious reasons. The ex-girlfriend, who I am bringing to Vegas, is more than likely not meeting you.

[/ QUOTE ]

If your girlfriend digs me because of this forum, won't she see what you just wrote? Either way, it looks like i'll be sleeping with an ex-girlfriend of yours. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Irieguy

[pergesu]

[ QUOTE ]
Either way, it looks like i'll be sleeping with an ex-girlfriend of yours. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

[good2cu]

I'm down 80k this month. weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.