50NL 6 MAX - K6s - Hows my play, whats my move?

Chuck_D · #1 07-04-2006, 04:09 AM

$50NL 6 Max, not much of a read, villan is 65/32 but only over 25 hands. I'm not sure if I should have slowed down on the turn or fired again on the river, once the bet comes back at me I am a little stumped, whats my move?

BB ($55.65)
UTG ($48.53)
MP ($6.35)
Button ($49.42)
Hero ($76.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, Button calls $0.50, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $2, BB folds, UTG calls $2, Button calls $2.

Turn: ($8) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $5, UTG folds, Button calls $5.

River: ($18) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $11.92, Hero ?

luke4130 · #2 07-04-2006, 04:22 AM

I'd fold this preflop. On the flop as played i might bet out against 2 villains but probably not 3. Once called though, i give up completely - c-f turn or river unimproved.

Chuck_D · #3 07-04-2006, 04:43 AM

I'm not so sure I'm tight enough to fold K6s in the SB, especially with 2 limpers already in. Granted if BB raised enough or there was already a raise in there I would let it go preflop.

Once the turn hits I guess I am trying to still represent I have at least the 10 by betting out again. In my mind no one showed any strength preflop or on the flop so its worth another shot at taking it down on the turn. I guess sometimes I am not sure when its correct to take another shot at the pot [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

luke4130 · #4 07-04-2006, 04:55 AM

As standard i don't fire a 2nd barrel unless i've got a specific read that someone is floating me. If you've got a read then go for it, without it i tend to think its spewing.

pokerspite · #5 07-04-2006, 05:03 AM

With two callers its time two shut down.

Chuck_D · #6 07-04-2006, 07:08 AM

Cheers for the input guys, I think in future I need to slow down after the flop, like you say 2 callers is a bit daunting after both calling a pot sized bet. I guess it played on my mind a bit because of the way it turned out (see below)!

BB ($55.65)
UTG ($48.53)
MP ($6.35)
Button ($49.42)
Hero ($76.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, Button calls $0.50, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $2, BB folds, UTG calls $2, Button calls $2.

Turn: ($8) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $5, UTG folds, Button calls $5.

River: ($18) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $11.92, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $29.92

Results in white below: 
Button has 7d 8s (high card, ace).
Outcome: Button wins $29.92. 

Son of a ***** [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

matv · #7 07-04-2006, 07:51 AM

check-fold the flop. did u seriously play this hand for middle pair value?

Wolfram · #8 07-04-2006, 09:10 AM

Completing really marginal hands like King-small suited is only worth it if you can avoid spewing. The flop has to hit you hard. It didn't, you took a stab and they both called. Just check and hope for a free card.

Betting out of position into two opponents with middle pair is generally not a good idea. You can't beat anything but a bluff, and it's much harder to sniff one out. Btw, calling a pot sized bet behind an OOP bettor does not have to be a weak move. It can very well be someone with a strong hand (2pair/set) trying to reel you in.

Chuck_D · #9 07-04-2006, 12:31 PM

Thanks guys, I'm really still learning and these situations are a place for me to tighten up on. I guess the concern came from getting bluffed on the end whereas I should have been thinking I misplayed the hand regardless. A lesson learned though!