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#11
10-26-2007, 01:15 PM
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Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
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Check/call is the worst possible line on the river. I like a value bet of around 60% pot, and crying call if he shoves. [/ QUOTE ] I think you would get more folds from villain using a shove on the river - hero has around 60BB behind and the pot is at 75+BB and villain would be wondering why we didn't put it all in ("maybe my hand _is_ good") That is, if you plan on calling a raise anyway and putting it all-in, why not push and get some possible better hands to fold? 
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#14
10-26-2007, 01:18 PM
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Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
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Any significant bet on the river will put you all-in so imo you have two choices: check/fold or shove on the river. What would I do? I would check/fold. The turn bet was pretty large yet he just calls, like he fears nothing. Why? He's displaying strength through his calls so it's either a call bluff (to the river..?) or he's actually got a good hand. I say assume he's rational and lay down the hand when facing a large river bet. How often are we ahead here? If he checks it down then all the better. The pot is a good size. I have one question though - how did the villain buy in for more than $100 at the .50/$1 level? You said he hasn't made any moves yet he is above $100. What gives? [/ QUOTE ] I really hope that you missread the board and didn't see that we have a SET!!!!
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#15
10-26-2007, 01:30 PM
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Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
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[ QUOTE ] Any significant bet on the river will put you all-in so imo you have two choices: check/fold or shove on the river. What would I do? I would check/fold. The turn bet was pretty large yet he just calls, like he fears nothing. Why? He's displaying strength through his calls so it's either a call bluff (to the river..?) or he's actually got a good hand. I say assume he's rational and lay down the hand when facing a large river bet. How often are we ahead here? If he checks it down then all the better. The pot is a good size. I have one question though - how did the villain buy in for more than $100 at the .50/$1 level? You said he hasn't made any moves yet he is above $100. What gives? [/ QUOTE ] I really hope that you missread the board and didn't see that we have a SET!!!! [/ QUOTE ] Yes we do have a set. On a board that gives sets the shivers. Possible flush + possible straight + villain smooth calling significant bets. Now we can read the writing on the wall or we can _hope_ we have the best hand and push. Myself, given NO reads, would check/fold and _sometimes_ push. It depends on the board but those are my two options. I'm not ruling out a river push, but having a set here doesn't mean we have the nuts so I'd play it accordingly.
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#16
10-26-2007, 01:40 PM
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Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
you only have $60 left just shove.
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#17
10-26-2007, 01:45 PM
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Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
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[ QUOTE ] Check/call is the worst possible line on the river. I like a value bet of around 60% pot, and crying call if he shoves. [/ QUOTE ] I think you would get more folds from villain using a shove on the river - hero has around 60BB behind and the pot is at 75+BB and villain would be wondering why we didn't put it all in ("maybe my hand _is_ good") That is, if you plan on calling a raise anyway and putting it all-in, why not push and get some possible better hands to fold? [/ QUOTE ] lol at getting a better hand to fold. if we shove its for value only. in the moment i probably just shove but I think villian folds hands to a shove that he calls w/ to a bet like $35 or so, so i like bet small and crying call if he shoves.
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#18
10-26-2007, 01:48 PM
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Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Check/call is the worst possible line on the river. I like a value bet of around 60% pot, and crying call if he shoves. [/ QUOTE ] I think you would get more folds from villain using a shove on the river - hero has around 60BB behind and the pot is at 75+BB and villain would be wondering why we didn't put it all in ("maybe my hand _is_ good") That is, if you plan on calling a raise anyway and putting it all-in, why not push and get some possible better hands to fold? [/ QUOTE ] lol at getting a better hand to fold. if we shove its for value only. in the moment i probably just shove but I think villian folds hands to a shove that he calls w/ to a bet like $35 or so, so i like bet small and crying call if he shoves. [/ QUOTE ] That's a benefit of the shove, not the reason. I was saying that in response to the check/call option and you could get an over set or a straight to fold on this obviously scary board. So sucket trebeck.
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#20
10-26-2007, 01:53 PM
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Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
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i'm all for the c/c route. i don't want to fold this hand and villian will bluff at this card a lot. [/ QUOTE ] What exactly would he be bluffing with? Do people think about hand ranges before saying "check to induce bluff?"
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