($24) Unraised JJ on A-high flop. Weird line check

Pocketbear · #1 10-03-2007, 03:18 PM

No reads.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t20/t40
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1545
UTG+1: t1485
Hero: t1455
MP2: t1355
MP3: t1870
CO: t1455
Button: t1510
SB: t1325
BB: t1500

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, Hero calls t40 (pot was t60), 4 folds, SB calls t20 (pot was t100), BB checks.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t120, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets t40, Hero calls t40 (pot was t160), SB calls t40 (pot was t200).

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t240, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets t40, Hero calls t40 (pot was t280), SB folds.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t320, 2 players)
BB bets t120, Hero calls t120 (pot was t440).

vers · #2 10-03-2007, 03:39 PM

hmm I don't really like this. I definitely open raise JJ here. On the flop, honestly I would just muck. There are few cards on the turn that you'll like and really it just looks like you have spewed 200 chips here.

What is your minimum preflop hand to open here? QQ+, AKo+? This is not to get a read on you, I'm just interested.

MonkeyButler · #3 10-03-2007, 03:49 PM

yeah why not open w/ JJ ? Raise 5x see if you get anyone coming along... in this situation, simply muck after flop.

Pocketbear · #4 10-03-2007, 04:02 PM

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What is your minimum preflop hand to open here? QQ+, AKo+? This is not to get a read on you, I'm just interested.

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With six people left to act behind me blinds 20/40 - yeah, I guess that's about it. Although I can see myself raising JJ and AQs here like 40% of the time.

vers · #5 10-03-2007, 04:03 PM

Well I definitely don't raise 5x, 3x is fine. I don't like bloating the pot with a hand that doesn't figure to get a ton of great flops. Also, by only going 3x, your c-bet is a lesser percentage of your stack.

cardworm · #6 10-03-2007, 04:16 PM

I like a raise to 160 preflop.As played it looks like a fold cause its 3 way.

sippin_criss · #7 10-03-2007, 04:19 PM

Open pf on the real, you're missing out on value by just limping. As played just fold flop, there's no point in getting involved.

RexWoo · #8 10-04-2007, 04:06 AM

I like a raise pf too but a limp is far from ugly.

Folding the flop is ugly imo.

I like your line and expect to see 50% a weak ace and 50% 66.

BicVicTheQuick · #9 10-04-2007, 10:18 AM

So we loose 50% of the time 200 chips and win 50% 200 chips. The chips we earn arn't that valuable as the chips we loose, so this is a -EV play..., right??

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Open pf on the real, you're missing out on value by just limping.

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RexWoo · #10 10-04-2007, 10:23 AM

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So we loose 50% of the time 200 chips and win 50% 200 chips.

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This is a really short shortcut. I mean, there are different streets, with different odds, differents perspective and different decisions.