weird fold vs kratzer rr pot.

[tcorbin16]

Lil history w/ kratzer. he prob views me as lag or tag depending on my mood. i got what a want on calling and then a blank turn and then he shvoed but like it was so fast that i just idk. pretty sure my hand is underepped but like i think with a diamond this is a call... thoughts?


Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $552.15
CO: $498
Button: $479.70
SB: $432.50
Hero: $394

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $16</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $47.45</font>, CO calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($96.9, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $66</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($228.9, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO is all-in $384.55</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero folds</font>.

[chirpy]

looks like he got the result he wanted

[aejones]

I'd probably bet the flop and fold to the shove

lawl look at me lie right to your face
POKERSTARS GAME #9027047873: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2007/03/22 - 02:34:24 (ET)
Table 'Palach II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: ryno069 ($212 in chips)
Seat 2: aejones ($1587.50 in chips)
Seat 4: redargoe ($1330 in chips)
Seat 5: White Wizard ($682 in chips)
Seat 6: Gfresh404 ($1280 in chips)
aejones: posts small blind $5
redargoe: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aejones [Kc Ks]
White Wizard: raises $30 to $40
Gfresh404: calls $40
ryno069: folds
aejones: raises $137 to $177
redargoe: folds
BARRON69 has returned
White Wizard: folds
Gfresh404: calls $137
*** FLOP *** [Jh Th 2h]
aejones: bets $350
Gfresh404: raises $753 to $1103 and is all-in
aejones: calls $753
*** TURN *** [Jh Th 2h] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [Jh Th 2h 9s] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
aejones: shows [Kc Ks] (a pair of Kings)
Gfresh404: shows [Jc Jd] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Gfresh404 collected $2608 from pot
aejones said, "god"
aejones said, "my life sucks"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2610 | Rake $2
Board [Jh Th 2h 9s 7c]
Seat 1: ryno069 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: aejones (small blind) showed [Kc Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: redargoe (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: White Wizard folded before Flop
Seat 6: Gfresh404 showed [Jc Jd] and won ($2608) with three of a kind, Jacks

[Christophers]

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I'd probably bet the flop and fold to the shove

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If you bet this flop, it isn't to fold to a shove.

[Weaktite77]

ok so Kratzer is a thinking player, so what is he putting you on when you reraise pre?

big pair, big cards, and air.

OK first of all, how willing are you to continue with air OOP on this flop? I don't know how often you float OOP, but i feel like villian probably thinks you don't do it often. So when you c/c villian can probably eliminate air from your range.

Now lets think about what you would do with something like AK in this situation.
How prone are you to continueing the hand without a diamond in this situation OOP(personally i dont' like it, but i don't know what your willing to do)? continueing in this situaion without a diamond seems pretty much like a float. However, villian probably thinks you would fold without a big diamond.
that leaves an AK type hand with big diamond. With that type of hand, I think a c/c is very bad here, so i would imagine he would think that if you have a big diamond, you would probably c/r (which is probably best),
but since you didn't, AK can now be eliminated from your range.

on this flop, when you check call, it probably means you have a big pair, (there's obv the chance that you could have air, but in his mind its MOST likely big pair)

so when the turn comes, and you check, i think this confirms in his mind that you have a big pair. I think Krazter wants to make a bet that will most look like a bluff (but in actuallity wants to be called). This shove looks like that kind of bet.
I think he has a monster here.

edit: obv. if you have like AKdd he's probablly willing to pay that off.