nl200 JJ vs donk bet into 4 way pot.

twoblacknines · #1 07-03-2007, 05:20 PM

ok I only have 7 hands with villain so literally no reads to go on. I pick up JJ on the button after 3 limpers. I probably shoulda made it more to go. Onto the hand:

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CO ($203.50)
Hero ($225.55)
SB ($264.80)
BB ($200)
UTG ($203.60)
UTG+1 ($153.50)
MP1 ($200)
MP2 ($123.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 1 fold, MP2 calls $2, CO calls $2, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $8, MP2 calls $8, CO calls $8.

Flop: ($43) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $14, Hero calls $14, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds.

Ok so I just called here which I hardly ever do. In retrospect raising was probably way better. At the time I didn't think he would lead a set there as most players go to autocheck flop mode with a set, and I figured I might as well let him donk off more money if I am ahead as he will put me on a missed AK trying to catch.

Turn: ($71) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets $32, Hero raises to $84

Ok so not a bad turn card but I'm now kicking myself for not raising flop. If villain pushes here are you guys instafolding? I've now committed a lot to the pot.

Roger Mainfield · #2 07-03-2007, 05:27 PM

I make it 14 Preflop. I might call flop, call turn, call river. I def don't raise this turn, you think he is calling you with A9? I really don't like it cause you only have 90$ left, but the only thing you beat is a villian who overvalues A9 or something. He is never bluffing if he shoves over.

MINETZ · #3 07-03-2007, 05:29 PM

Think to yourself, what does this turn raise accomplish?

BT2 · #4 07-03-2007, 05:30 PM

with four players in the flop i do not like raising at any point in this hand.

twoblacknines · #5 07-03-2007, 05:36 PM

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Think to yourself, what does this turn raise accomplish?

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True, but I didn't want to turn into a calling station here although maybe that would be best in this situation (minimize losses when behind, not scare off worse hands when ahead)? The problem is there are a ton of bad river cards that can come, but I guess I could safely fold to a strong river bet in that situation.

If I just call his turn bet and the board bricks on the river what is your plan? Obv I can call a smaller bet but what about 2/3 pot?

KurtSF · #6 07-03-2007, 05:37 PM

Preflop raise to $14.

On the flop I make it ~$50.

As played, I call the turn to just keep letting him hang himself if we're behind. Though now there are a lot of draws... I guess I'm a little torn. Meh, you're in position so yeah, I'd call and re-eval the river.

As played, if he shoves over your raise I think you have to drop.

MINETZ · #7 07-03-2007, 05:42 PM

I would take the most passive line possible in the hand and call call and reevaluate the river, u think this guy is gonna donk into 4 people then bet twice big into the pfr /w worse than 2 pairs, even semibluff hands now have pairs and showdown value.

twoblacknines · #8 07-03-2007, 05:46 PM

His flop bet size really threw me off too. $14 into a $43 pot?

MINETZ · #9 07-03-2007, 05:48 PM

usually extreme weakness or extreme strength [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img], it looks like he wants to keep the pot small with a worse hand so id let him do it and just call down.

AmonRaa · #10 07-03-2007, 05:53 PM

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So you call the flop and the turn. Are we ahead?
If you raise flop you spend as much as your line and know exactly where you are.