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Old 10-19-2007, 04:21 PM
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Default AK, lots of outs on dangerous turn, what\'s your line?

assume full stacks, no reads, generally fishy players but no one too out of line yet

sb post .50
bb post 1.00

hero raises A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]to 3.50 from utg
co calls 3.50
sb + bb fold

flop J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
hero bets 7.50 into 8.50 pot
co calls 7.50

turn 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], pot is $23

1) CRAI
2) B/F
3) B/C
4) C/F
5) C/C

Why?
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Old 10-19-2007, 04:45 PM
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Default Re: AK, lots of outs on dangerous turn, what\'s your line?

#2 and #3 usually...really depends on my image and my image of him. I mean if he is real aggressive and will try to steal on scary turns, I may even B/3B.
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Old 10-19-2007, 06:36 PM
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Default Re: AK, lots of outs on dangerous turn, what\'s your line?

generally fishy makes me bet this.He raises I got by pot odds, counting like 13-15 outs.
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Old 10-19-2007, 06:53 PM
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Default Re: AK, lots of outs on dangerous turn, what\'s your line?

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generally fishy makes me check this.He rarely bets and when it does it almost always gives me a good price

[/ QUOTE ] edit: I guess this depends on the games I play though
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Old 10-19-2007, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: AK, lots of outs on dangerous turn, what\'s your line?

I checked, villain bet 20 on turn. Now what?
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Old 10-19-2007, 07:04 PM
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Default Re: AK, lots of outs on dangerous turn, what\'s your line?

B/C
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Old 10-19-2007, 07:12 PM
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Default Re: AK, lots of outs on dangerous turn, what\'s your line?

I vote b/f or c/c...I'm not sure which one because I think we have decent FE if we bet but I don't think we can call a push because we can only count our discounted diamond outs plus our queen outs. So if you think it's likely that villain is peeling one of light on the flop then I'd b/f. If you think he's more likely to have a hand where he's going to push over the top then I guess c/c.
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Old 10-19-2007, 07:16 PM
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Default Re: AK, lots of outs on dangerous turn, what\'s your line?

with reads given, I c/c a bet that gives me a good price on the pot. I do not check raise here or with strong draws vs. most people at this level. I save that line for my overpairs vs. fishy players.
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Old 10-19-2007, 07:27 PM
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Default Re: AK, lots of outs on dangerous turn, what\'s your line?

I would almost never c-bet that flop. Horrible flop for your hand, only thing worse might be a monotone black flop. JT on the flop connects with nearly every decent hand, plus theres a potential FD.

Any significant action and I pitch it.
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Old 10-19-2007, 07:30 PM
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Default Re: AK, lots of outs on dangerous turn, what\'s your line?

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generally fishy makes me bet this.He raises I got by pot odds, counting like 13-15 outs.

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if he is raising, you prob have <= 8 outs
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