162 Mid pair Spot

[BKiCe]

it seems everyone thinks calling the flop > raising the flop. i think if you call the flop, the only way you get 99-QQ to fold is by firing the turn and shoving the river... you have to commit slightly more chips to float the flop and bet the turn and i think it has a significantly lower chance of folding out 99-QQ. i don't think 99-QQ ever folds if you check behind on turn and bet river, unless scare cards come.

i definitely think folding flop is the best option and would do it without much thought, but i also think raising is the second best option, with calling being a clear third.

[lyerly]

I read this thread 2 hours before this hand...you guys had me time-banking:

Full Tilt Poker Game #4179007309: FTOPS Event #10 (30641977), Table 42 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:37:21 ET - 2007/11/14
Seat 1: blackjack9 (7,857)
Seat 2: Hawkeyehat (4,350)
Seat 3: lyerly (4,320)
Seat 4: LarsLuzak (7,886)
Seat 5: Gigabet (13,990)
Seat 6: joebroe (9,670)
Hawkeyehat posts the small blind of 60
lyerly posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lyerly [8c 8d]
LarsLuzak has 15 seconds left to act
LarsLuzak folds
Gigabet folds
joebroe folds
blackjack9 folds
Hawkeyehat raises to 240
lyerly raises to 840
Hawkeyehat calls 600
*** FLOP *** [9d Kd 9s]
Hawkeyehat bets 360
lyerly calls 360
*** TURN *** [9d Kd 9s] [6h]
Hawkeyehat bets 600
lyerly calls 600
*** RIVER *** [9d Kd 9s 6h] [2d]
Hawkeyehat bets 1,080
lyerly has 15 seconds left to act
lyerly has requested TIME
lyerly calls 1,080
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hawkeyehat shows [Ad Qc] a pair of Nines
lyerly shows [8c 8d] two pair, Nines and Eights
lyerly wins the pot (5,760) with two pair, Nines and Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5,760 | Rake 0
Board: [9d Kd 9s 6h 2d]
Seat 1: blackjack9 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Hawkeyehat (small blind) showed [Ad Qc] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 3: lyerly (big blind) showed [8c 8d] and won (5,760) with two pair, Nines and Eights
Seat 4: LarsLuzak didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Gigabet didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: joebroe didn't bet (folded)

[KingDan]

UCLA,
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your an idiot if you think that folding is not an option on this flop. straight up

and its also dumb to think that folding on this flop makes preflop bad

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LOL internet douchebags.

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I think people tend to overvalue small/mid pairs a lot but I'd call 8s pre.

I'd folds 2s.

I call flop but dont think folding is stupid or anything.