hero flops top set and gets check raised...did I extract the max?

[ssnyc]

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another let's try to get the most value from a donk line check...I think my flop flat call of check raise was good but not sure if I should have raised turn...on one hand it would help build the pot so a river shove would work but we risk losing him if he's on air...thoughts?

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
8 players

UTG: t1450
UTG+1: t2750
MP1: t1400
Hero: t2655
CO: t2210
Button: t1275
SB: t3850
BB: t2010

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds
UTG+1 calls t50
MP1 folds
Hero raises to t200
4 folds
UTG+1 calls t150

Flop: (t475) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks
Hero bets t300
UTG+1 raises to t600
Hero calls t300

Turn: (t1675) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t350
Hero calls t350

River: (t2375) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t500
Hero raises all-in t1505
UTG+1 folds.
Uncalled bets: t1005 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: t3375

[BarryLyndon]

I think you should excluded that UTG+1 fold at the end, because now my mind is all clouted. My spite for your opponent is going to clout my judgement. Lots of clout and spite.

I think you need to push this turn because you optimize your chances of representing a whiffed flush after flat calling the flop. I agree on calling the flop because if you push here, KJ / weaker pairs may leave. If he has the flush draw, well, that sucks, you could have gotten all your money in. I dunno - this is a weak point in my game, but call/push turn seems good to me.

Barry

[Dunkman]

Lol you should minraise the turn. I wish I was joking, but considering stack sizes, and the fact that villain did it on the flop, I think that's actually the best play.

[ZenMusician]

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Lol you should minraise the turn.

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I agree, if not a min raise then some sort of small
pot sweetener...now you can squeeze a bigger river
bet out of him, or he may even push.

-ZEN

[ssnyc]

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Lol you should minraise the turn.

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I agree, if not a min raise then some sort of small
pot sweetener...now you can squeeze a bigger river
bet out of him, or he may even push.

-ZEN

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I thought a miniraise was the smallest pot sweetner possible

[ZenMusician]

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I thought a miniraise was the smallest pot sweetner possible

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Level? LOL

-ZEN

[Rocco]

Yeah, raise the turn small... Looks like he's on a draw and a small raise will give him odds to chase. He doesn't know he's drawing dead.

[ssnyc]

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Yeah, raise the turn small... Looks like he's on a draw and a small raise will give him odds to chase. He doesn't know he's drawing dead.

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problem was I figure draw or air...if air I lose him...if draw and he hits...yahtzee!!!!!

[Dunkman]

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Yeah, raise the turn small... Looks like he's on a draw and a small raise will give him odds to chase. He doesn't know he's drawing dead.

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problem was I figure draw or air...if air I lose him...if draw and he hits...yahtzee!!!!!

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Yeah but if he has air then he minraised the flop with it. Now that you minraise the turn, he won't necessarily assume that means you have a hand (hey, he did it with air, maybe that's why you did it.) That's why I like the play so much, I don't think you necessarily fold him out even if he has air.

[ssnyc]

guys...one more question...what does my line look like...I was going for the sceptical but scared under pocket pair who might fold to serious aggression