AJ offsuit two pair

CasinoR7 · #1 08-08-2007, 04:27 AM

I was multitabling so I didn't have many reads on this player. The players on this table usually folded when I made a bet with any hand, I was playing fairly tight. I had two pair here, so I tried to build a bigger pot.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 4 folds.

Flop: (7.40 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, Hero caps, MP3 calls.

River: (12.70 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, Hero caps, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 20.70 BB

Guitierez · #2 08-08-2007, 04:39 AM

Why not bet this flop? You don't know if someone will do it for you, and with this two-suited, connected flop you can't give anyone drawing out on you a free card.

Riku · #3 08-08-2007, 04:42 AM

The flop check call makes me puke.

Ulkis · #4 08-08-2007, 04:45 AM

What's the question?
I would have just called pre-flop. Especially when you are multitabling, you see enough action and not get bored anyway so you can play better cards.

CasinoR7 · #5 08-08-2007, 04:48 AM

The question was if slowplaying was right here, but I guess it was not because the board is very draw heavy. The reason for check calling the flop was actually that I thought someone must have hit something on the flop. If I bet or check raise here, it might slow my opponent down. I thought that if I just check call the flop, I can check raise the turn or the river and gain extra bets.

Guitierez · #6 08-08-2007, 04:50 AM

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What's the question?

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If OP ever heard someone mention "value-bet".

Ulkis · #7 08-08-2007, 04:51 AM

Agreed, was it Ken Warren or someone else advises being careful and not to slowplay when you flop top and bottom pair, someone prob made a straight.

CasinoR7 · #8 08-08-2007, 05:05 AM

Another question, what if I had bet the flop and got raised. Should I consider folding there?

Xhad · #9 08-08-2007, 05:15 AM

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The question was if slowplaying was right here, but I guess it was not because the board is very draw heavy.

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That, and pfr + check flop screams "I FLOPPED A MONSTER DON'T GIVE ME ACTION"

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post11442155

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Another question, what if I had bet the flop and got raised. Should I consider folding there?

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No! You have outs against a straight, you're beating QJ, random bad aces and flush draw semibluffs/free card plays. You should pretty much always be 3betting in this spot (if the turn is a K, Q, T, or heart then folding might be a serious possibility depending on the action)

EDIT: The cap turn/cr river is pretty questionable too; we have no reason to believe he'll bet a worse hand for us.

Sushiglutton · #10 08-08-2007, 05:48 AM

Bet the flop. This Board is very coordinated and dangerous, even with two-pair. It's likely to hit many hands. Also ur line makes u check the turn which is not good. When MP3 3-bets turn I would go into call-down mode agaisnt some villains. Agaisnt some a cap lead line is ok. River is spew.