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Old 11-30-2007, 08:34 AM
maca9 maca9 is offline
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Default AA hands - 2 big losses - am i playing badly here??

Would like some advice on these hands I lost tonight.

Have I played bad here?

Please see results below each hand in white to see villian holding if interested.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($36.95)
SB ($17.90)
BB ($25)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($34)
Hero ($53.50)
MP2 ($25.35)
CO ($18.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, MP2 calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, MP2 folds, BB calls $3.

Turn: ($9.10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $21</font>, Hero calls $13.

River: ($51.10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $51.10

<font color="white"> Villian pocket 5's </font>


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG+1 ($20.80)
MP1 ($12.15)
MP2 ($56.30)
CO ($4.40)
Button ($25.90)
Hero ($27.45)
BB ($25.25)
UTG ($12.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $2, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($5.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $18.55</font>, Hero calls $14.05.

Turn: ($42.60) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($42.60) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $42.60



<font color="white"> Villian 6d 3d </font>
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:51 AM
zyrrth zyrrth is offline
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Default Re: AA hands - 2 big losses - am i playing badly here??

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raise more preflop in hand 2
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:52 AM
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Default Re: AA hands - 2 big losses - am i playing badly here??

Hand 1: c/c, c/rrai is so often a monster. With what hand would he call PF, then just flat call a PSB on the flop and then shove over your 2nd PSB on the turn? I don't see any hand playing that way except villain is a complete donk. As you did not mention that, I think it's tough to continue here.
Hand 2: on paired boards, the chances someone hit his set are smaller, simply because there is only one unpaired card on the board. Of course he could have 65, but I don't think he would raise those PF. Therefore I think call in hand 2 is absolutely ok...
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:14 AM
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Default Re: AA hands - 2 big losses - am i playing badly here??

Hand 1: I think you are committed on the turn after you lead out. I like a c/c there, but sometimes you will get it all in no matter what.

Hand 2: Push after he raises on the flop!
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Old 11-30-2007, 03:12 PM
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Default Re: AA hands - 2 big losses - am i playing badly here??

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Hand 2: on paired boards, the chances someone hit his set are smaller, simply because there is only one unpaired card on the board. Of course he could have 65, but I don't think he would raise those PF. Therefore I think call in hand 2 is absolutely ok...

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Just to be nit-picky: In hand two the villain limped UTG+1 and cold called the 3 bet. Note this retard. You realize he went all-in with basically nothing on the flop right?
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:54 AM
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Default Re: AA hands - 2 big losses - am i playing badly here??

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Hand 2: on paired boards, the chances someone hit his set are smaller, simply because there is only one unpaired card on the board. Of course he could have 65, but I don't think he would raise those PF. Therefore I think call in hand 2 is absolutely ok...

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Just to be nit-picky: In hand two the villain limped UTG+1 and cold called the 3 bet. Note this retard. You realize he went all-in with basically nothing on the flop right?

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You can be as nit-picky as you want and yes, I realized it but only after writing my response. I didn't look at results before answering OP's question...
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:02 AM
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Default Re: AA hands - 2 big losses - am i playing badly here??

both hands are basically standard.
if you bet the turn in hand 2, which you should, you are basically comitted to calling his cr.
the only hand a reasonable player could have in hand 2 is 55 or 66, i take my chances and get it in here.
all of this is obv in a vacuum, if you got reads like villain never cr in hand 1 without a set or villain in hand 2 could play 76 or 56 it's a bit different.
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:59 AM
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Default Re: AA hands - 2 big losses - am i playing badly here??

In hand 1 I think you are betting too much on the flop and turn. It's a fairly dry board (he could be drawing with 78s, but that's about it) so you are in a WA/WB situation. Your best case scenario is to be up against AQ, and he'll probably call a bet with a hand like JJ/TT, but usually not stack off. Since AQ probably doesn't stack off either, you aren't looking to play for stacks here- you want to get the most value from the hands he'll call with. If you think he'll call 3 smallish bets with a hand like AQ, then try that. Another line is to check behind on the turn and then represent a big bluff on the river, which JJ will probably pay off. I'd bet $2 on the flop and probably about 1/2 pot on the turn or even check behind planning to value bet 3/4 or a PSB on the river. With smaller bet amounts you can get away on the turn if he c/r you, because very few players at this level c/r the turn as a bluff or something as weak as AQ.

I always am thinking about what hands I think will call and how much they will call. Even though on this flop you likely have the best hand, the only part of his range you should expect to get stacks in with is the part you are behind. Smaller bets will make this less likely to happen and get better value from underpair hands like JJ, who will have difficulty calling PSBs on multiplel streets.


Hand two is a totally different story. Your hand is very strong for this action and this board. People very rarely re-raise with full houses or trips on paired boards, so you can call pretty confidently ahead of his range. Even if he didn't move all in, you should be ready to.
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:11 AM
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Default Re: AA hands - 2 big losses - am i playing badly here??

Hi Jeff76

Thanks for the comments.

So when you say the bets are too much you mean if they were behind me they wouldn't call AND since they did call the bigger bets then they are prob ahead.

I guess AQ would call flop bet but not reraise the turn bet.

So as played (with bigger bets from me) i should have realised i'm behind???


And if i played same situation with smaller bets I give myself the chance to have worse hands calling AND don't lose as much if I flod the turn to his reraise???

Have I understood that?


Also if a fulsh draw was on board would you then need to bet more in line with what I did?




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Old 11-30-2007, 11:17 AM
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Default Re: AA hands - 2 big losses - am i playing badly here??

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I just don't understand how the smaller bets would have prevented me losing here once the action started from villian.

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The smaller bets do not help you NOT losing the pot, they help you either lose less here or to win at least a decent amount from a hand that you beat and that could not call two PSBs here.
BTW: Good post, Jeff.
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