Nuts on the river, deep

[PartyScout]

Lead flop,bet turn,CRAI river

[ahnuld]

if he has a medium club wouldnt I be more liekly to make money by leading? Is there some amount where he will raise the K or Q of clubs but call worse clubs?

[Requin]

What do you guys think is the worst hand villain vbets here if we check? I'd guess he vbets wider than he calls though, so I'd check, but I'm not sure about this. I seriously don't think you get paid on your CR often, I'd really just decide based on whether he vbets wider or calls wider.

I mean if you were bluffing on the turn it's almost always with a club, which if its high villain doesn't beat (considering only the interesting hands here, where villain doesn't have the NF and pay off since you get probably a bet there regardless) and if its low won't often turn itself into a bluff by betting, so when you bet the river can he really bluff catch with a medium club? He only beats total air that CRed on the turn or a 3 that decided to become a bluff, both rare, or maaaaaybe a low club vbetting which is also rare. However its possible I think that you CRed with a smaller club and are now checking, so he might vbet a bit wider than he calls.


If you think he calls any club I think this is a clear bet. And I think villain would have to be retarded to raise river with any flush.

[RiverHebrew2]

I'd like a river c/r; he's betting a highigh club on this riv for sure. He'll probably fold to a river bet with Ax without a club. So therefore, the best chance to get the most money in on the river vs his most likely range "Ax with big club," I like a river c/r.

[STA654]

lead for half pot imo. He might call with an A, which he would just check with if you checked.

If he has the K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], or J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] he is raising and it;s a fist pump.

The only hands that he bets with here that he dosn't raise with are 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

imo getting value from an A > C/R a mid club.

[RollinHand]

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lead for half pot imo. He might call with an A, which he would just check with if you checked.

If he has the K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], or J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] he is raising and it;s a fist pump.

The only hands that he bets with here that he dosn't raise with are 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

imo getting value from an A > C/R a mid club.

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FTW!

[STA654]

oh wait... infinite river aggression?

your up against a super user, open fold now!

[Bullitos]

I don't think he would raise this river with a K,Q or J high flush this deep on a paired board.

Check/raise to rep a bluff or whatever and induce a call!

[captainwacky]

so if he has the K of clubs, he'll b/f the river, but if you lead he'll raise. Seems easy, no?

[Omniheart]

so for those who check raise river here, how often are you guys ever bluffing in this spot?