FOS line from TAG

sh58 · #1 11-10-2007, 12:48 PM

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UTG ($203)
MP ($223.25)
Hero ($227.75)
SB ($112.65)
BB ($311.03)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $8, Hero calls $8, 2 folds.

Flop: ($19) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($19) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $16, MP raises to $64, Hero calls $48.

River: ($147) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP calls $223.25 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $370.25
Main Pot: $370.25, returned to MP.

i think i have been pretty active at the table so i decided to flat call w KQs, rather than 3bet.

villain is a pretty standard TAG. 20/14 over 2000 hands and isn't the most agressive. most interestingly he only Cbets 45% of the time. his turn checkraise didn't really make any sense at the time, so i called, thinking he might give up on the river if it was a bluff. then he shoves...

i fold w/o really thinking carefully enough about it, guessing he must have me beat somehow. thing is, i have no idea what he has, his line just makes no sense. he would bet the turn if he had a big hand right?

this should be a call right?
what is his range?
ratio of valuebet/bluff on the river shove?

RockRattler · #2 11-10-2007, 01:17 PM

Normally I would fold this without too much consideration just like yourself.

I think your right though. This could very easily be a call since no hands make any sense.

AQ would have to lead out on turn and so should KT.

Hince · #3 11-10-2007, 01:26 PM

His line doesn't make any sense. I usually call in these spots.

pineapple888 · #4 11-10-2007, 01:32 PM

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he only Cbets 45% of the time, and isn't the most aggressive

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So... why do you think you are ahead? Suddenly he wakes up with air on a broadway board when he can be virtually certain you have a piece?

Unknown Soldier · #5 11-10-2007, 01:33 PM

call

pineapple888 · #6 11-10-2007, 01:35 PM

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call

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Insightful!

Unknown Soldier · #7 11-10-2007, 01:38 PM

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well my only reason is that he just looks FOS. I'm confused -> money goes in.

KT would bet the flop, if hes dumb enough to slow play on this board he's dumb enough to make a retarded bluff.

Noam Chomsky · #8 11-10-2007, 01:41 PM

I'd bet the flop.

I would definitely be tempted to look him up here. I just don't see many of the [censored] he's representing not c-betting.

jk3a · #9 11-10-2007, 01:50 PM

Is this hh real?

TheJokerIsWild · #10 11-10-2007, 01:51 PM

I really don't agree with calling here. He has already shown you that he doesn't cbet as much as normal. Why is it not possible that he checked a hand like KT on the flop since you had position and cold called his raise preflop? Also, how is it not possible that he might have flopped a set of jacks and just wanted to get creative with it (again, since you had position on him). While I'm not advocating his line on this play, I just don't think that these 2 hands are out of the question.

I think the fact that you cold called, in position, his PF raise made him play the hand a bit funky here, but I just don't see a TAG making a play like this with pure air.

Interesting hand though for sure...