50nl - AA villian shoves river

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wtfwtfwtfwtf

call river all day

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Also bluff-shoving this river is really bad imo and most good players can spot this a mile away. Bet the turn >>>> shoving river (as villain)

[Brian O'Nolan]

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Also bluff-shoving this river is really bad imo and most good players can spot this a mile away. Bet the turn >>>> shoving river (as villain)

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Just because he has solid pf stats doesn't mean he is good postflop. Read through the first replies to this thread; you get a fold out of a smallish subset of 50NL players often enough on this river.

[Nick Royale]

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Also bluff-shoving this river is really bad imo and most good players can spot this a mile away. Bet the turn >>>> shoving river (as villain)

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Just because he has solid pf stats doesn't mean he is good postflop. Read through the first replies to this thread; you get a fold out of a smallish subset of 50NL players often enough on this river.

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I don't think the average 2+2-poster should be considered the average taggish 50nl player.

[traz]

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Also bluff-shoving this river is really bad imo and most good players can spot this a mile away. Bet the turn >>>> shoving river (as villain)

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Just because he has solid pf stats doesn't mean he is good postflop. Read through the first replies to this thread; you get a fold out of a smallish subset of 50NL players often enough on this river.

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You cannot trust the average player to fold QQ+ here. Nor should you really, because you're repping a very narrow range.

[prodonkey]

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I like this spot for a river shove with no pair... I wouldn't be real confident that most people can fold an overpair here but if you got a decent read I like it. Your line is reasonable for JJ/TT. I think pf is good too if this guy could ever fold AA on this river.

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Don't try to make people lay down overpairs.. it costs a lot of $.

[CruS]

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I like this spot for a river shove with no pair... I wouldn't be real confident that most people can fold an overpair here but if you got a decent read I like it. Your line is reasonable for JJ/TT. I think pf is good too if this guy could ever fold AA on this river.

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Don't try to make people lay down overpairs.. it costs a lot of $.

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QFT

[You're No Daisy]

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I think its a fold. The only thing you beat here is JT and I doubt it plays so passively.

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You're not even beating that [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I think this is a clear baluga.

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He has aces up. How is he not beating Jack and Tens?

[AZplaya]

whyzze,
who was hero in this hand? I think you need a read that he hero will lay down TPTK+ before you bluff shove this river. As noted I much prefer taking a stab at the pot on the turn.

[r2me]

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He has aces up. How is he not beating Jack and Tens?

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Villan could have: (1) lower overpair (QQ/KK), J10, trips (JJ, 10/10), or air (OESD that didn't connect). We have top 2 pr.

Villan's line (at least initially) just doesn't look like a set on the flop to me. Villan was IP w/ a chance to bet on the turn...but didn't. Then reraised all in when board paired.

My first thought was this is a clear call since villan could have lower overpairs or J10. But villan could also be doing a "stutter step" check on turn given the pot size to induce a bet from hero. If you look @ stack sizes, then a raise on rivr would enable villan to get his $ all in w/ a raise. (Since villan is in position, it also gives villan another chance to bet @ & build this pot if s/he checks river.)

What would I do? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] I would call [because our hand is just too good against the full range of villan] & make a careful note about this player. (And throw my mouse across the room if this was a slow played set on the flop that filled up on the rivrr.) [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]