LOTR: Return of the King (GAME THREAD)

[DustinG]

so something I just realized which is kind of funny, is that as my Pippin-peek on night 2 I peeked Herbie (who was Sauron- KM had peeked VR). So the night I got lynched had I voted for Fmx or Mark it would have been a flip since my vote counted for 2.

[sighing]

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That looks about right.

If I ran this game, I would've given Gandalf double-vote instead of seering, and I think that would still be village balanced (though less so, obviously).

And yes, good wolves can level, but really, mouth of sauron is worth less than a normal wolf (and it's not close).

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Yes, the Mouth of Sauron was (intentionally) worth less than a normal wolf.

Otherwise, Gandalf/Aragorn/Frodo/Sam had consistent roles across the trilogy (as did Sauron, with minor variations, and the Witch-King), and there was no reason to change that.

[lastchance]

Theoden can say "I am Theoden."

I think sighing underestimates this power huge.

This game would also be better if no one knew what all the roles were (though I generally don't like this setup, but that's the only way having more power villagers than wolves works at all).

[sighing]

Btw, most people who think it's easy to design one of these things in balance go and run one and then it ends on Day 4 in a blowout [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[durron597]

durron's modifications:

original
village: 36.5
wolf: 24.5

village tweaks:
king theoden: -1
aragorn: -1.5
unmaking the ring: +.5

net: -2

wolf tweaks:
oliphant rider: +1
stealing the ring: +2.5
mouth of sauron: +1
witch-king: +1

net: +4.5

village: 34.5
wolf: 30

so slight village edge. not huge like luckay originally said. most of the other possible changes favor the wolves, like:

gandalf worth slightly less (no n0 peek)
sauron worth slightly more
stealing the ring worth slightly more

so yeah.

[lastchance]

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That looks about right.

If I ran this game, I would've given Gandalf double-vote instead of seering, and I think that would still be village balanced (though less so, obviously).

And yes, good wolves can level, but really, mouth of sauron is worth less than a normal wolf (and it's not close).

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Yes, the Mouth of Sauron was (intentionally) worth less than a normal wolf.

Otherwise, Gandalf/Aragorn/Frodo/Sam had consistent roles across the trilogy (as did Sauron, with minor variations, and the Witch-King), and there was no reason to change that.

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Well, in all 3 games, make Gandalf double-vote instead of seer, and you have probably better games (though probably more wolf walks because village really sucked in this series).

[sighing]

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Theoden can say "I am Theoden."

I think sighing underestimates this power huge.

This game would also be better if no one knew what all the roles were (though I generally don't like this setup, but that's the only way having more power villagers than wolves works at all).

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Theoden dies if role-blocked. So that would give the wolves a free kill.

I think lastchance underestimates the importance of reading the power list.

[lastchance]

Durron, 4 or 5 points is like a wolf or a seer.

That's still a freaking lot.

[lastchance]

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Theoden can say "I am Theoden."

I think sighing underestimates this power huge.

This game would also be better if no one knew what all the roles were (though I generally don't like this setup, but that's the only way having more power villagers than wolves works at all).

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Theoden dies if role-blocked. So that would give the wolves a free kill.

I think lastchance underestimates the importance of reading the power list.

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Once the witch-king dies, a claimable role is pretty much worth the extra-kill.

So yeah... I realize that. Even with that tweak, village is like a wolf/seer up.

[sighing]

Hopefully nobody's tweaking power lists here in the expectation that I'm reading them and taking notes [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]