***Official November Chat Thread: The Golden Duck***

[Cry Me A River]

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Ha, I've thought about it. Grinding well, don't worry. It's only my 2nd week back.

Still working out the kinks, so no need. Plus, I need to re-learn some BR management skills that I was getting lax on in summer. And I'm trying to learn to play 8+ tables for the first time ever.

It's fun crushing the $25 game though, I gotta admit.

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Nevermind mind me, I'm just being a [censored] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Matter of fact, I've decided to spend the rest of the night at 50NL before my head assplodes.

Up 3 buy-ins in a hour. So it seems to be working [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Berge20]

Ha, no worries.

Victor Ramdin playing down here too [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[CalledDownLight]

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My all-ins today went good again [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

average ev: 0.6544
money won: 66647.10$
money expected (based on allin equity): 69386.39$
money difference: -2739.29$

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I've come to realize that all-in equity is a really, really tiny fraction of the overall luck factor.

Not to say you aren't experiencing a run of bad luck; I'm sure you are. But I think that all-in equity tells us much less than we think it does.

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I've known this forever and try to tell people but nobody listens [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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x2. I even told you this directly several months ago Pokerboy.

[TheProdigy]

Guys,

I think most of us know what it means in the long-term portion of things and the big picture.


I use it more as a laugh factor, it makes me feel good I've got my money in so good, and it is actually funny that I've done so bad on all-ins. The other parts of luck have something to do with your play as well. You are going to hit less sets if you don't setmine in HU pots. You are going to hit more otherwise. You are going to hit more flushes if you chase more, etc. What this tells you is only one thing: When you push that Raise all-in or Call All-In button, how are you running? It is pure luck there and it is a good measure to tell you some things about how you are running.

I don't think I would ever use it to tell how I was running. I was -800 or so in all-in equity at the beginning of the month and was +3k overall. It is just fun to look and see I am getting screwed when I can't do anything about it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[CalledDownLight]

Another thing is that the higher your allin equity is the more likely it is that you are going to be facing an extreme swing one way or the other. I could do the math, but I'm too tired.

[TheProdigy]

Yep,

The longer you play the bigger the absolute number may be off. Buy-in significance by then is actually insignificant even though $10k as a real dollar figure sounds huge.

[Cry Me A River]

Hey!

Won a decent sized pot with KK!

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Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $32.85
UTG+1: $63.25
UTG+2: $35.75
MP1: $43
MP2: $21.10
CO: $28.40
Hero (BTN): $54.85
SB: $35.60
BB: $50

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1</font>, 5 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $4

Flop: ($10.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $9</font>, UTG calls $9

Turn: ($28.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($28.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $18.85 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $18.85

Results: $66.45 Pot ($3 Rake)
UTG showed A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Queens and Deuces) and LOST (-$32.85 NET)
Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a full house, Kings full of Deuces) and WON $63.45 (+$30.60 NET)


Yes, it's like coming home...

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG+2): $61.50
MP1: $26.75
MP2: $31.70
CO: $18.55
BTN: $48.75
SB: $29.15
BB: $10.90
UTG: $50
UTG+1: $114.20

Pre-Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+2)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $2</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $2, 2 folds, CO calls $2, BTN folds, SB calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $6</font>, Hero calls $6, CO folds, SB calls $6, BB folds

Turn: ($28) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $42 and is All-In</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $53.50 and is All-In</font>, SB folds

River: ($112) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $112 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a full house, Fours full of Fives) and WON $109 (+$59 NET)
UTG showed K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Fives) and LOST (-$50 NET)

[pattay]

can we add this to the shortstack illuminati thread?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">pattay ($205.75)</font>
Button ($227.25)
SB ($224.65)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($55.30)</font>
UTG ($169)
UTG+1 ($45)
MP1 ($94.85)
MP2 ($216)
MP3 ($231.80)

Preflop: pattay is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">pattay raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($17) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">pattay bets $10</font>, BB calls $10.

Turn: ($37) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">pattay bets $28</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $37.3</font>, pattay calls $9.30.

River: ($111.60) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $111.60

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has As Jd (two pair, jacks and sixes).
pattay has Td 9d (straight, king high).
Outcome: pattay wins $111.60. </font>

[Mike Kelley]

Awesome. Too Eazy convinced me with his Shannon Elizabeth philosophy on poker. Since I'm down 4bi's for the 2nd night in a row. I thought hey, good attitude, good things will happen.

I know bet more on the flop. Check fold the turn.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Profiles and Stacks:
UTG pcb4(<font color="#0000cc">$59.85</font>) <font color="#008800">44.4</font>/22.2/2.7 (<font color="#0000cc">36</font>)
UTG+1 fisheater111(<font color="#0000cc">$47.70</font>) 23.8/<font color="#cc0000">4.8</font>/3.0 (<font color="#0000cc">21</font>)
MP1 vikes_31(<font color="#0000cc">$124.65</font>) 29.5/<font color="#cc0000">4.5</font>/<font color="#cc0000">3.7</font> (<font color="#0000cc">44</font>)
MP2 spoiled9(<font color="#0000cc">$30.20</font>) <font color="#cc0000">8.1</font>/<font color="#cc0000">0.0</font>/0.0 (<font color="#0000cc">62</font>)
CO gabesaid(<font color="#0000cc">$49.50</font>) <font color="#cc0000">4.2</font>/<font color="#cc0000">0.8</font>/2.0 (<font color="#0000cc">118</font>)
BTN jdazzle7(<font color="#0000cc">$25.90</font>) 25.0/<font color="#cc0000">0.0</font>/1.5 (<font color="#0000cc">20</font>)
SB Hero(<font color="#0000cc">$50.00</font>) <font color="#cc0000">12.7</font>/<font color="#cc0000">9.5</font>/<font color="#cc0000">4.7</font> (<font color="#0000cc">126</font>)
BB Negasie(<font color="#0000cc">$25.75</font>) 30.0/<font color="#cc0000">5.0</font>/1.3 (<font color="#0000cc">20</font>)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 8 players) Hero is SB J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
pcb4 calls $0.5, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, vikes_31 calls $0.5, <font color="#777777">3 folds</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#777777">pcb4 folds</font>, vikes_31 calls $2.5

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($7, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $4</font>, vikes_31 calls $4

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($15, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $9</font>, vikes_31 calls $9

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($33, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $15</font>, <font color="#cc0000">vikes_31 raises to $30</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero goes all-in $34</font>, vikes_31 calls $4

Final Pot: $101
Hero shows: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
vikes_31 shows: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

vikes_31 wins $98 ( won +$48 )
Hero lost -$50.00
pcb4 lost -$0.50


$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Profiles and Stacks:
UTG ctooley(<font color="#0000cc">$40.90</font>) 38.9/<font color="#cc0000">8.3</font>/1.3 (<font color="#0000cc">36</font>)
UTG+1 lgkeeper(<font color="#0000cc">$50.00</font>) <font color="#008800">40.4</font>/<font color="#cc0000">6.4</font>/1.4 (<font color="#0000cc">47</font>)
MP1 Hero(<font color="#0000cc">$61.55</font>) <font color="#cc0000">12.7</font>/<font color="#cc0000">9.5</font>/<font color="#cc0000">4.7</font> (<font color="#0000cc">126</font>)
MP2 kidcisco76(<font color="#0000cc">$40.45</font>) 30.2/<font color="#cc0000">3.2</font>/1.2 (<font color="#0000cc">63</font>)
MP3 Mick1065(<font color="#0000cc">$3.50</font>) 38.1/<font color="#cc0000">9.5</font>/0.3 (<font color="#0000cc">21</font>)
CO BickiBoy(<font color="#0000cc">$58.35</font>) 32.3/12.3/2.8 (<font color="#0000cc">65</font>)
BTN Fluminho(<font color="#0000cc">$44.50</font>) 37.5/12.5/0.9 (<font color="#0000cc">40</font>)
SB red_dawn_28(<font color="#0000cc">$60.85</font>) <font color="#008800">46.5</font>/20.9/2.4 (<font color="#0000cc">43</font>)
BB gabesaid(<font color="#0000cc">$47.75</font>) <font color="#cc0000">4.2</font>/<font color="#cc0000">0.8</font>/2.0 (<font color="#0000cc">118</font>)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is MP1 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
ctooley calls $0.5, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#777777">3 folds</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Fluminho raises to $6</font>, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, ctooley calls $5.5, Hero calls $3.5

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($18.75, 3 players)
ctooley checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Fluminho raises to $12</font>, <font color="#777777">ctooley folds</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero goes all-in $55.55</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Fluminho goes all-in $26.5</font>

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($95.75, 2 players)

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($95.75, 2 players)

Final Pot: $95.75
Hero shows: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Fluminho shows: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero wins $17.05 ( lost -$44.5 )
Fluminho wins $92.75 ( won +$48.25 )
ctooley lost -$6.00

[GrandMelon]

With my recent troubles at 3/6 and 5/10 I decided to just play 2/4 for the next week or so.

An hour later Im sitting at 10/20 with the rest of my Full Tilt roll and cant even reload on my 2/4 tables.





I have no self control [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]