I make every hand hard on myself

[Noam Chomsky]

well I don't completely agree with that but agree that it's a small enough part of our range that we should really just be value betting against the strongest part of his range.

[Unknown Soldier]

name one hand that we bluff here.


also, what is our range weighted towards here

[Noam Chomsky]

lol, I'd bluff with a lot of hands but certainly clubs are the obvious hands.

[Unknown Soldier]

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lol, I'd bluff with a lot of hands but certainly clubs are the obvious hands.

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you keep laughing at what i say, but you aren't exactly defending yourself well here, and didn't answer my other question. You're calling the turn with all clubs? What other hands would you bluff here?

[sdplayerb]

how did you get this statistic? i use pahud and don't see it:

"and folds to most 3-bets (90% overall)"

[Noam Chomsky]

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lol, I'd bluff with a lot of hands but certainly clubs are the obvious hands.

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you keep laughing at what i say, but you aren't exactly defending yourself well here, and didn't answer my other question. You're calling the turn with all clubs? What other hands would you bluff here?

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I was laughing at the question because you asked what hands I would bluff here. I looked at the action in this hand and realized that my answer would probably be different than most.

to clarify, I'm taking a stab at the flop A LOT. I'm not at all unlikely to float the turn and show up with a wide range of hands with and without showdown value that I will bluff in this spot for the same amount which I'd be looking to value bet here. Shpanko's range is generally goint to be pretty polarized between strong hands that can call a big bet (some of which we're losing to) comfortably and hands that can't call much of anything, so value-betting vs a weak bluff catcher seems silly b/c I think he rarely has one.

[Unknown Soldier]

against big hands a small bet is good because we'll look like we are vb AcXc and he'll raise.

[Noam Chomsky]

lol, yeah, as I'm responding to this thread this comes up, was totally just calling 60+ here:

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG: $223.65
MP: $313.75
Hero (CO): $236
BTN: $163.90
SB: $194.25
BB: $412.05

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $7, BB folds

Flop: ($18) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $13</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $40</font>, Hero calls $27

Turn: ($98) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($98) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $36</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $188 and is All-In</font>, SB calls $110.25 and is All-In

Results: $390.50 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Jacks) and LOST (-$194.25 NET)
SB showed 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a full house, Sixes full of Jacks) and WON $387.50 (+$193.25 NET)

maybe I like 35

[Dire]

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against big hands a small bet is good because we'll look like we are vb AcXc and he'll raise.

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I think he never check raises worse on this river, regardless of how much we bet. Imagine he has AJ. He's still not check raising a $40 bet. He likely feels he has alot of our range beat, but he's completely dead to our check raise calling range on this board. And I doubt he decides to try to pull of some crazy bluff here.

Same reason I just like betting big on this river, preferably shoving. He's only calling with big hands, and people don't like to fold big hands to odd lines.

[thac]

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how did you get this statistic? i use pahud and don't see it:

"and folds to most 3-bets (90% overall)"

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The HUD made by mikechops, it's in the Software forum.