Raising Big Pairs in a limped pot

[raistlinx]

I guess what I'm trying to get a baseline on is when to keep being aggro and when to c/f or c/c when the dreaded overcard comes.

[nomadtla]

There is not perfect answer to that question. Like any question in poker "it depends"

[Christian_Peters]

In my opinion, these are some of the toughest spots in limited hold'em. There is no heuristic.

[raistlinx]

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There is not perfect answer to that question. Like any question in poker "it depends"

[/ QUOTE ]Of course. But I think it's useful to have some sort of murky gray "standard" that you use and then adapt each hand. I'm just trying to find some more value in my hands like this.

[Xhad]

Some general principles:

-Be more likely to continue in position than out of position
-Of all the overcards that can flop in a multiway pot, an A is the worst.
-c/c is almost never right; usually it's between b/f, c/f, or bet/crying calldown. The only time I can think of that you should c/c is as one of many options if you check early in a multiway pot (i.e. you have KK and an A flops. You check vs. 4 opponents knowing in advance that you are going to fold if one of the tight EP limpers bets, but call if anyone else does; this is what I was doing in the JJ vs. monotone flop hand I posted above; call, raise, and fold were all options depending on what exactly happened after I checked)
-Be more inclined to take more passive lines if there are few other overcards that can come to your pair. I.e. if you raise otb, get called in 4 places and the flop is A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], be more inclined to raise TT but call KK if you're going to continue.

[Xhad]

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I was talking more about pots that are 4-6 handed after the flop. 2 or 3-way I'm definately betting. How do you handle overcards when it's like 4-6 handed?

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If you play fit-or-fold in pots that multiway you're probably not missing much. i.e. raising A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and then giving up on a 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] flop. Just remember that the pot will be big and you'll often be getting great odds to peel. Also, bet if you flop a good draw or in position if it looks like a good spot to try for a free card.

[raistlinx]

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I was talking more about pots that are 4-6 handed after the flop. 2 or 3-way I'm definately betting. How do you handle overcards when it's like 4-6 handed?

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If you play fit-or-fold in pots that multiway you're probably not missing much. i.e. raising A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and then giving up on a 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] flop. Just remember that the pot will be big and you'll often be getting great odds to peel. Also, bet if you flop a good draw or in position if it looks like a good spot to try for a free card.

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Yeah in a 4-6 handed raised pot I'm always peeling one with AJs here or betting if I happen to flop two spades.

Thanks for the tips as well.