Flopped a monster OOP, when to pounce. - Page 2

detruncate · #11 09-10-2007, 02:03 PM

From Pal's point of view, is it credible that you'd cc here with anything other than Ax? I wouldn't think so. On the other hand, if you two mix it up frequently (and it seems that you do), she might weight pps 77-99 strongly enough to find a call with an overpair to the 6 if you 3-bet. There also aren't many unpaired broadways in her likely range unless you're engaged in a running pissing match pf.

I 3-bet.

jba · #12 09-10-2007, 02:03 PM

you are dodging 6 outs on the turn and 9 outs on the river, not terrible shape but it's certainly not a lock. just a shade better than a flopped flush vs flopped set.

ZOMG_RIGGED! · #13 09-10-2007, 02:29 PM

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From Pal's point of view, is it credible that you'd cc here with anything other than Ax? I wouldn't think so. On the other hand, if you two mix it up frequently (and it seems that you do), she might weight pps 77-99 strongly enough to find a call with an overpair to the 6 if you 3-bet.

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Mostly making educated guesses here, you'd have to ask her becuase we've never talked strategy, but no, I think if I CC she puts me on Ax every time but I guess I'm having a hard time see where thats a bad thing. I have a hard time seeing her call with a PP if its 3 back to her. No odds and no reason to think the hand isnt getting capped.

Scorcho · #14 09-10-2007, 02:37 PM

I 3-bet this 100% of the time unless I'm playing with special ed students. Cold-calling absolutely reveals your hand and as someone else said above, people tend not to believe flop-jammers.

ZOMG_RIGGED! · #15 09-10-2007, 02:40 PM

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Cold-calling absolutely reveals your hand and as someone else said above, people tend not to believe flop-jammers.

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I guess my issue is that even if Pal doesnt want to beleive me, there is still the button who raised to contend with. Doesnt feel like she can call a raise or my RR light so I should focus less on the smart player and concider any monies from them as a bonus and target the moron on the button who's calling 3 cold PF and obviously has a A.

Palomino · #16 09-10-2007, 02:49 PM

Did this actual hand happen? Or are you adjusting this slightly to the 66 vs TT hand we had that you flopped a set and slowplayed to the turn where I was able to get away from my hand cheaply when you c/r'ed? That one you obviously shoulda played strong from the flop.

Anyway, back to this situation. I think after seeing the action you probably should have donked this flop. If you cold call or 3 bet here it doesn't really matter to me if I don't have an ace. Either one speaks of massive strength. If I have AK/AQ this hand will play itself for me. You need to jam the flop right away. If I have 77-TT I'm probably not going much farther with the hand no matter what you do. Therefore, jamming the flop is optimal.

EDIT: OK, just looked this up in PT. Man, you ran good vs me with 66. lol. Let me know if you want me to share my hand and my thoughts.

jba · #17 09-10-2007, 02:55 PM

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I think after seeing the action you probably should have donked this flop.

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yeah, you're right

ZOMG_RIGGED! · #18 09-10-2007, 03:05 PM

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Or are you adjusting this slightly to the 66 vs TT hand we had that you flopped a set and slowplayed to the turn where I was able to get away from my hand cheaply when you c/r'ed? That one you obviously shoulda played strong from the flop.

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Are you really going to call the turn bet? I'd have to ponder that one a bit. At the time I assumed you wouldnt call a flop c/r turn lead without a K so I figured one more street to let you pair a broadway was best.

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Did this actual hand happen?

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Yes, would have been about 12ish pst. Button had a big stack $400-$500 but was passive and bad, open limped in the CO and button a LOT. Guy to my imediate right was SF_Chamelean. I think. SF_ something. Really bad and ate my lunch all night. I think the table broke very shortly after this hand.

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Anyway, back to this situation. I think after seeing the action you probably should have donked this flop. If you cold call or 3 bet here it doesn't really matter to me if I don't have an ace. Either one speaks of massive strength. If I have AK/AQ this hand will play itself for me. You need to jam the flop right away. If I have 77-TT I'm probably not going much farther with the hand no matter what you do. Therefore, jamming the flop is optimal.

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If I'm playing the hand against you I'm taking a completly different line but like you said, to a thinking opponent no matter my action my hand is face up, and no matter the action your hand plays itself. I figured once the flop was out the Pal vs. CB part of the hand was over. I was either going to win a big pot or lost one but that was out of my control. the only variable to the hand was the button who I didnt think was good enough to do basic hand reading.

Maybe once I decided to check the flop when the action came back to me it reallt didnt matter what I did, but leading may have been better if you did have an ace.

Palomino · #19 09-10-2007, 03:13 PM

Yeah, i saw the hand. See the edit in my last post.

ZOMG_RIGGED! · #20 09-10-2007, 03:26 PM

PM sent. You three betting my sixes was definatly a good luck charm last night. I dont feel bad though, you had some bad karma to work off after the J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] hand