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Old 11-19-2007, 02:07 AM
Chicago Twister Chicago Twister is offline
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Default Flopped 12 outer OOP, punk minraised me

Suffice it to say I'm about 75% sure he has a Q, and when he does he calls a push virtually every time. Is this the only line?

Poker Stars, $0.50/1.00 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (CO): $106.50
BTN: $152.20

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, BTN calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $16</font>, <font color="red">Hero pushes ... </font>

Any other way to play it?
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:21 AM
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Default Re: Flopped 12 outer OOP, punk minraised me

Board: Qh Td 7d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.170% 47.99% 00.18% 23754 90.00 { AdJd }
Hand 1: 51.830% 51.65% 00.18% 25566 90.00 { TT, 77, AQs, KQs, Q9s+, KQo, Q9o+ }

If he calls a push virtually every time this makes this a trivially easy shove. I included AQs and not AQo to show that he's gonna be 3betting AQo a large % of the time (assuming he does, otherwise you should have specified in the OP)
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:21 AM
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Default Re: Flopped 12 outer OOP, punk minraised me

3-bet to 50/call a shove? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:22 AM
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Default Re: Flopped 12 outer OOP, punk minraised me

Yes, but is there a different way to play it?
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:22 AM
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Default Re: Flopped 12 outer OOP, punk minraised me

you have as many as 15 outs against a bare Q and plenty of FE I think this push is completely standard.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:25 AM
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Default Re: Flopped 12 outer OOP, punk minraised me

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3-bet to 50/call a shove? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Ok, 3bet to 50, he flats. Turn is brick. Pushbot? Is this turn push -EV, and if so is that bad?
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:26 AM
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Default Re: Flopped 12 outer OOP, punk minraised me

Also,is this (3bet to 50) a good way to play anything else in our range?
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:26 AM
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Default Re: Flopped 12 outer OOP, punk minraised me

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Yes, but is there a different way to play it?

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IP, I guess I could not hate a call. OOP, not a chance I'm calling here, when the turn bricks you're in the ugliest spot. Leverage the fact that you're flipping while you still can.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:27 AM
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Also,is this (3bet to 50) a good way to play anything else in our range?

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Other combo draws, sets, QT, overpairs probably.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:37 AM
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Default Re: Flopped 12 outer OOP, punk minraised me

Yeah I just gave an option but shoving is way better than 3-betting in this spot.
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