Absolute Poker Scandal: An Inside Job

[Pokeraddict]

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ikestoys, Scott Tom has lied. And he, at least, used to be a big wig in the co. If I'm not mistaken he has an account on casinomeister right now for damage control saying a "superuser" account is absurd. He denied being Scott Tom, "pokermachine" here at 2+2. Adanthar exposed that they have identical IPs.

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I VERY seriously doubt The Watchdog is Pokermachine.

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but adanthar had pokermachine's login name as scotttom, with the exact same IP as the watchdog

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Actually I was the one that first caught that a month or two ago. The difference is that The Watchdog has made some donk posts at CM and has not shown the same spamming habits as Pokermachine. There are also other factors such as the age difference. He has spammed Pit Bull at CM and made some other comments that lead me to believe he has little industry knowledge outside of iPoker. Obviously he knows the people at AP, he even admits that, I just do not think he is anything other then a different shill then Pokermachine. AP has sent 5-7 shills here to spam the zoo over the last 9 months, not all are the same person from my investigation. The Watchdog even made a false post at CM saying Dobrosoft (now Futurebet's semi defunct Digital Gaming Network) was merging with Full Tilt. Also he is a knowledgable supporter of iPoker, something I doubt Pokermachine can even spell.

I would not bet my entire bankroll on them being different people but it is a good 90%+ bet. I can always work my way up from 3/6 again right?

[imabigdeal]

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to all of you who are pinning this on incompetence, or at least saying there's a chance, do you actually think that if they somehow realized what was going on they'd admit it, and risk their company going under?

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thats the rub... but I'm not sure that admitting that their security was briefly compromised will end the company as long as all aggrieved players are compensated.

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yeah. i mean don't get me wrong, part of me wishes this is just incompetence. and i think one person could be this stupid, but not a whole company. it's just too optimistic. i believe they will continue to try to push this under the rug and deny it as long as they have to. we'll see though.

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oh i didn't say they wouldn't try to hide it, I was questioning whether it would end the company (assuming that the investigation showed it wasn't them).

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oh ok, i gotcha. i'm anxious to see what the AP guy will say to Dan Druff.

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waxhead- ignorance isn't necessarily lies. If I'm working in a lab investigating the acceleration of gravity and I make a mistake through incompetence, bad methods or bad data, then it isn't a lie. Althought its definitely possible, we haven't proven that yet

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Yea, I'm referring to the part where it's impossible for employees to see hole cards, but somehow they investigated hand histories that didn't go to showdown. Obviously, 'someone' can see hole cards!

They are being sly with their language there and referring to game client only.

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My post from the other thread...

To those people claiming that the XLS is the smoking gun because it shows that AP has records of hole cards when hands didn't go to showdown, that's dumb.

I've seen Stars admin level hand histories that show the same thing (ie, every hand in play, timestamps, etc).

The key is when the information is released from its secure location, who it's released to and how it is stored until it's released.

Obviously AP knows all holecards, how else would they send any individual user a hand history or detect collusion if they ever did bother to investigate anything?

[txbarbarossa]

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to all of you who are pinning this on incompetence, or at least saying there's a chance, do you actually think that if they somehow realized what was going on they'd admit it, and risk their company going under?

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I think at this point they better come clean or THEY WILL go under.

[automaton_22]

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"Absolute Poker reserves the right to pursue any and all remedies whether in law or equitable which may procure to it as a result of any unlawful and injurious actions taken by any individuals who may have falsified any information, documents, files, or have by other means attempted to disparage and/or harm Absolute Poker, its Players, its current or former management, employees, business partners or affiliates."

Disturbing paragraph there at the end.

The above is a threat meant to scare people away from getting involved in this.

They're basically saying that they'll sue you if you harm their reputation at all. Even worse is the phrase, "Absolute Poker reserves the right to pursue any and all remedies whether in law or equitable", which seems to imply that they are reserving the right to find other ways to punish you if they can't sue you. That's what I presume the "equitable" part refers to. This might mean that they are now reserving the right to freeze your AP account and steal your funds if they determine you have "damaged" their oh-so-clean rep.


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Just thought I would step in and clarify this - ‘Equitable’ in the email from Absolute refers to a legal concept that has no relation to any ordinary usage of the word ‘equity.’ In a nutshell, ‘equity’ is a parallel jurisdiction that historically operated separately to the common law [the general law], but now in most jurisdictions is more or less assimilated into the general law. Equitable remedies include powerful litigation remedies like injunction, and estoppel.

The use of the word 'equitable' is nothing sinister in itself, just stock standard legal jargon.

They do however seem to be hinting at possible legal action, should documents have been falsified, or allegations be unfounded etc.

[Alobar]

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I'm getting really tired of ikes' and Alobar's posts in this thread.

They're worse than the random 12 post retard saying that we're just upset at losing money.

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why cuz im not jumping on the "lets brand the 7 figure loser as a cheater" bandwagon, because of one post 2 years ago?

go [censored] yourself

also, lol at APs independent auditor. This could go either way, that they will now "come clean" with everything through their KGC puppet auditor since they obviously cant come out themselves with the truth because all their previous stuff will look like the total lie it was. Or they will still keep on the "deny deny deny" path having the independent audit finding nothing. Im pretty excited to see what happens either way, should be good stuff.

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I'd say like 2% #1, 98% #2. Not that I'm trying to set the line here, but I agree with you.

Hopefully #1.

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I'm not saying it's a smoking gun, more that they are not concise in their statements. Maybe I'm being anal!

It would be pretty negligent if a poker site did not have access to hole cards.

Also Ike, I just mean, given the hand histories revealed since the first statement. Is it possible for everyone there to be ignorant enough given these histories, to not think someone was looking at hole cards? If I was some innocent head honcho type at AP, I would be bringing up these hand histories for myself, I would be kicking ass and taking names.

I would not be saying, we are secure let's get an 'independent' auditor to check our security to prove to the world we are secure.

If this auditor does not go in there armed with a lot of the information found here, and simply goes in to check the client and overall security set up. The results will be useless. I just hope they know what to look for.

[dibbs]

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I'd say like 2% #1, 98% #2. Not that I'm trying to set the line here, but I agree with you.

Hopefully #1.

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Assuming #2 happens, what is the next step you think Nat?

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I'd say like 2% #1, 98% #2. Not that I'm trying to set the line here, but I agree with you.

Hopefully #1.

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Assuming #2 happens, what is the next step you think Nat?

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I have a lot in mind. I don't really want to reveal all of my ideas in a spot that AP is surely reading.

Maybe I'm being paranoid, but I sent my ideas for what to do (along with my findings that I have not revealed) to a number of friends, some of whom no one could know that I know. So if anything ever happened to me (who knows, right?) the info would not be lost.

But we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.