Too weak with the FD?

[Fadook]

Yah, even the SSH Tight games chart recommends limping from EP with any two suited cards T or higher. This is a .25/.5 game, and probably loose and passive. Folding preflop sucks. As for raising; Hero is UTG and this hand doesn't have a big preflop equity edge, why would you raise?

[JerBear77]

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Yah, even the SSH Tight games chart recommends limping from EP with any two suited cards T or higher. This is a .25/.5 game, and probably loose and passive. Folding preflop sucks. As for raising; Hero is UTG and this hand doesn't have a big preflop equity edge, why would you raise?

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To narrow up your field of competitors. If you get called, so what? You have a strong Multi pot hand and a decent TPGK hand. As long as you don't get married to your hand when you hit your TP and you get action this is fine for me. Im a little more aggressive preflop then most.

If you see that this particular table is 3 betting you alot then tone it down a tad, but you certainly are not in bad shape if you get 2 or 3 cold callers from your raise for the reasons stated above.

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*grunch*

I raise the flop here. This almost can't go wrong- if both players fold behind, you may get a free card (especially since it looks like SB isn't super aggressive). If one calls, you have a slight +EV edge. If both call, you have a huge EV edge. The only bad scenario is if they both fold and SB reraises, or doesn't give you the free card on the turn. But that risk is probably justified.

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A bit of Free card Maths:

Assumptions –
No turn Flush card
35% EQ on flop
17.5% EQ on turn
One caller = Always
Raised = Never
Free Card received = Always
Flush draw wins = Always

Flop Raise:
Equity 35% - Putting in 33% of Pot = .02% Equity edge
.02% x 2 other Players = .04BB

Free card:
17.5% x 5.5BB Pot = 0.96BB

Flop Raise + Free Card = 1.00BB
Cost of Raise = 1.00BB

[Fadook]

Unless your raise manages to knock the field down to 2 or 3 other players, all you're doing is bloating the pot OOP with a hand that is easily dominated. If the flop brings a draw, that's not such a problem, but a pair will need protection and you're in bad position in a large pot.

[Shillx]

Don't raise the flop for a free card. You played it fine.

[Marquoz]

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Folding preflop sucks. As for raising; Hero is UTG and this hand doesn't have a big preflop equity edge, why would you raise?

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To narrow up your field of competitors.

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I disagree. QTs from early position is a limping hand because of its multi-way potential. If you raise with it, you kill multiway action and any hand that calls/reraises almost certainly has you dominated and OOP.

On the flop, calling is fine (to keep more people in), and so is raising for a free card. I don't think either is clearly the best choice--just go with what fits your style and table image best.

[CrMenace]

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Flop Raise + Free Card = 1.00BB
Cost of Raise = 1.00BB

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Ah, but the incremental cost of the raise is only 0.5BB. You have to put in 0.5BB either way.

[drzen]

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*grunch*

I raise the flop here. This almost can't go wrong- if both players fold behind, you may get a free card (especially since it looks like SB isn't super aggressive). If one calls, you have a slight +EV edge.

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So long as they don't a/ hold the nut flush draw and b/ hold hearts of any kind.

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If both call, you have a huge EV edge.

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And if no one calls but the SB, you have made a -EV bet, regardless whether you get a free card.

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The only bad scenario is if they both fold and SB reraises, or doesn't give you the free card on the turn. But that risk is probably justified.

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No, you are wrong. If both fold, your bet is -EV regardless whether you get a free card. You are 1.86 to 1 to make a flush by the river, and you make 1 to 1 on your bet. If SB is passive enough to check to you on the turn, he will most likely fold the river when he checks that to you too.

[drzen]

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Yah, even the SSH Tight games chart recommends limping from EP with any two suited cards T or higher. This is a .25/.5 game, and probably loose and passive. Folding preflop sucks. As for raising; Hero is UTG and this hand doesn't have a big preflop equity edge, why would you raise?

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To narrow up your field of competitors.

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Yet again a poster recommends "thinning the field" with a weak hand whose best feature is that it can win a big pot multiway.

The small incremental chances of winning small pots because you made everyone fold will *never* add up to the big pots you win with this hand if you don't, particularly since you have made it two bets with a hand that just won't win much more than its share against a 30VPIP loose caller and a random big blind!

[00Snitch]

if you think you can get away with open limping this pf at your table then go for it. i would open limp this at the casino games i play everytime. i would probably fold it at crypto 1/2. i dont know how starts 25/50 plays. what im saying is if you are gunna get a multiway, unraised pot more often then not, this limp is correct.

rest of the hand looks good.

no value in raising the flop. remember you are making money every time someone puts a bet in the middle with this hand on this flop. figure out how to get them to put as many in as possible. im not wanting to raise here because our pair outs are not worth much.

turn is another easy call. pot is small but you have the imediate outs to call with your gutter and fd. again, there is no value in a raise, you want to keep building this pot not shut players out. your hand has almost no showdown value so there is no point in raising for a free showdown.