are there really 2?

romdom · #1 11-04-2007, 05:09 AM

never posted here before, but this will be fun. How does the community here feel about the party system in America? To me, it seems more like there is really only one party, half believe abortion should be legal and the other half believe gay's shouldn't get married.

I learned when i was very young that the left wing was about big government, while the right was more into self governance. Do we really have those choices? seems like both "party"'s are increasingly similar and both spend more and more money every year. As a clear example, as far as policy goes, what's the difference between Hillary and Bush?

Taso · #2 11-04-2007, 05:25 AM

As you said, Hillary favors larger government, Bush favors smaller government.

The most recent and obvious example of this is the recent health care debate. Bush vetoed a bill that he felt was a push towards socialized healthcare, a system the democrats, and Hillary, have been pushing for a while. Meanwhile, all the Republicans on the debate stage are against socialized medicine.

romdom · #3 11-04-2007, 05:30 AM

well, facts are facts
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/....asp?newsID=31

romdom · #4 11-04-2007, 05:32 AM

and more recent...
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/bush-big-govt.html

AlexM · #5 11-04-2007, 06:22 AM

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As you said, Hillary favors larger government, Bush favors much larger government.

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FYP

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Bush vetoed a bill that he felt was a push towards socialized healthcare, a system the democrats, and Hillary, have been pushing for a while. Meanwhile, all the Republicans on the debate stage are against socialized medicine.

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Yeah, one example makes it true. Let's ignore the fact that the budget had increased more under him than any president in history... even ignoring military spending!

Taso · #6 11-04-2007, 06:30 AM

The government would get bigger under Hillary.

Is that an incorrect statement?

DblBarrelJ · #7 11-04-2007, 06:38 AM

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The government would get bigger under Hillary.

Is that an incorrect statement?

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"The government gets bigger" is a correct statement.

MidGe · #8 11-04-2007, 06:53 AM

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As you said, Hillary favors larger government, Bush favors smaller government.

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Umm, what Bush says, what he means and reality are three distinct domains. You need some examples? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

romdom · #9 11-04-2007, 06:53 AM

but my question is won't the government also get bigger under....say....giuliani? seems the only REAL right wing option is Ron Paul, am i off here?

Taso · #10 11-04-2007, 07:00 AM

In my opinion, Hillary would do anything Giuliani would do, plus more.

2 examples: Giuliani wants to leave abortion up to the states, Giuliani wants to leave healthcare private.

"ergo", Giuliani is for smaller government than clinton.

Ummm, but yeah, I think Ron Paul is the best option for smaller government.