JJ Overplayed?

Bona · #1 06-03-2007, 02:02 AM

Hammered twice today with JJ so I thought I'd have one reviewed.

Did I overplay this preflop?
Should I have c/f the turn?
Can I fold the river with 17:1 pot?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

River: (14 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18 BB

Buzz-cp · #2 06-03-2007, 02:05 AM

overcall is tough, but it is a big pot.

aK13 · #3 06-03-2007, 04:16 AM

I'm not thrilled about capping preflop, but maybe I'm the minority. I would probably just flat call.

tyler_cracker · #4 06-03-2007, 05:09 AM

the last time we had a pf situation like this with JJ, the cool kids wanted to fold.

as played, flop and turn are standard.

we can't over-overcall the river, even in this giant pot. is this a bet from TT and a call from AK and, um, 99/88/6x?

marchron · #5 06-03-2007, 11:08 AM

<nit>88 has us whaled.</nit>

James. · #6 06-03-2007, 11:57 AM

no reads? as played, bet the river. checking allows most any worse(or better) hand to play perfectly, as well as open you up to being outplayed. the pot's big so you can actually valuebet more liberally since much weaker holdings will call, and it's multiway so it is essentially protected.

Mustafa · #7 06-03-2007, 01:14 PM

I don't cap PF against 3 others.

River is an easy fold for me versus 3 already in. If you find you would have won the pot with 2nd pair, then you probably have 3 new buddy list friends for life.

bozlax · #8 06-03-2007, 01:35 PM

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overcall is tough, but it is a big pot.

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I rest my case (see the AQ hand).

Buzz-cp · #9 06-03-2007, 02:57 PM

not really the same

if hero bets here, he is folding to a raise always

Shillx · #10 06-03-2007, 03:21 PM

the last time we had a pf situation like this with JJ, the cool kids wanted to fold.

Huh? We fold JJ for 3 cold (sometimes) but not in the situation that this hand presents. That said I would tend to just call unless I felt like I could collect some dead money by capping it (doesn't seem too likely).

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