4 bet with JJ

[bagclip2007]

this is a push spot because the of what was posted, hes repopped him alot lately, the guy is a lag so most of the time ur getting the right price to push in this spot always!

[xorbie]

The thing is... how often do you squeeze a villain? Maybe once every hundred hands? Then how often does he 4bet? Maybe once every several hundred hands? How often do you have JJ? Once ever thousand hands? If you played 10k hands with this guy, and he someone looked back and tallied every single time you called or pushed against the 4bet, he might be like "wow this guy must be never folding JJ, its explouting time!"

Realistically, it just doesn't matter.

[MDMA]

I said the same thing and explained why..?

[Eagles]

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Yan,
You are wrong. How do we decide when to push and when to fold? Do we flip a weighted coin?

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Is this some kind of a joke or what? This is a very basic concept.


How do you decide when to bluff and when to not? When to c-bet the flop? Surely you don't second barrel everytime do you? You dont c-bet 100% of the time right?

Andy Beal had his watch rigged to become a Random Number Generator. I suppose you could do that. Or you could just guesstimate it like everbody else.

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The point is we shouldn't randomize our play for the sake of randomizing it. If jj is ahead of his range here we should shove. If it isn't we should fold. If his range begins to adapt we should adapt also. But for this specific hand you should make the same decision 100% of the time.

[McIntireUVA]

My cut-off for what I'm willing to go with facing resistence when I 3-bet is often (maybe not always) between JJ and QQ. I think shoving JJ here is -ev. I'd rather shove with AQ, at least you are dominated less by less hands.

[nutsflopper]

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My cut-off for what I'm willing to go with facing resistence when I 3-bet is often (maybe not always) between JJ and QQ. I think shoving JJ here is -ev. I'd rather shove with AQ, at least you are dominated less by less hands.

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Leveling?

[ahnuld]

I pushed obviously and he had QQ. Just running bad today I guess. I thought it was standard as well

[Erik W]

Always pushing or always folding is a huge leak.

[jlkrusty]

Hmm, with all this mixing up strategy stuff, I have a question that's probably more psychological. Now that Hero has shown he will 4-bet with JJ (and lost to QQ), suppose a neary identical hand comes up 40 or 50 hands later. Hero once again has JJ. Should hero shove again, or back off this time since he already showed once that he would shove with JJ?

[pp262]

Versus a very tight range your equity is 38,4%. You need 39% equity (810/(810+1260) to break even. If you have some history of him resqueezing light then this is an instapush.
Otherwise it's pretty close.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

400,679,136 games 0.005 secs 80,135,827,200 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.617% 60.19% 01.43% 241156788 5730870.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AKo }
Hand 1: 38.383% 36.95% 01.43% 148060608 5730870.00 { JJ }