Two QQ Hands

[EmpireMaker2]

***** Hand History for Game 5075154682 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Thu Aug 31 23:30:53 EDT 2006
Table Monster 1277342 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: nccr86 ( $789)
Seat 2: Tommys_Angel ( $3486.03)
Seat 4: EmpireMaker2 ( $1940)
Seat 5: JCXXXXX ( $1703.75)
Seat 6: calleverythn ( $2355.15)
EmpireMaker2 posts small blind (10)
JCXXXXX posts big blind (20)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to EmpireMaker2 [ Qs, Qd ]
calleverythn raises (85) to 85
nccr86 folds.
Tommys_Angel folds.
EmpireMaker2 raises (239) to 249
JCXXXXX raises (393) to 413
I fold......


**** Hand History for Game 5071760654 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Thu Aug 31 15:52:25 EDT 2006
Table Monster 1277480 (No DP) (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: EmpireMaker2 ( $3183.36)
Seat 2: Benno300 ( $2160)
Seat 3: agilitybobf ( $1126.36)
Seat 4: SULTAN_of_TWAT ( $1900)
Seat 5: JamieOwns ( $769.23)
Seat 6: g000ber ( $7459.14)
EmpireMaker2 posts small blind (10)
Benno300 posts big blind (20)
JamieOwns posts big blind + dead (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to EmpireMaker2 [ Qd, Qs ]
agilitybobf folds.
SULTAN_of_TWAT raises (75) to 75
JamieOwns folds.
g000ber raises (255) to 255
EmpireMaker2 raises (612) to 622
Benno300 folds.
SULTAN_of_TWAT folds.
g000ber calls (367)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Td, Tc, 9s ]
EmpireMaker2 checks.
g000ber bets (700)
I fold.....

[Clayton]

hand 2, why reraise pre if you are gonna checkfold this board. im sure this is what everyone is thinking, so plz elaborate. ofc i dont know anything abt g00ber soooo yea

[EmpireMaker2]

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hand 2, why reraise pre if you are gonna checkfold this board. im sure this is what everyone is thinking, so plz elaborate. ofc i dont know anything abt g00ber soooo yea

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LOLOLOLOLOLOL SIR

[baronzeus]

hmm u can play for set value in hand 1. (what did call evrything do? even if he folds i still think u can call)

hand 2 is perfect. no fking way he plays any hand but AA or KK like this...

[EmpireMaker2]

Hand 1 calleverythn folds, and I have very close odds for set value but decide not to get into anymore trouble

[Clayton]

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hand 2 is perfect. no fking way he plays any hand but AA or KK like this...

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baron, can u please explain to me here what makes this play perfect, bc i fail to see it (and that means im not suggesting it isnt perfect, rather trying to understand how).

like, are we getting enough value out of this fourbet out of the blinds with QQ such that our image can get money out of hands like AK/AQ/JJ-22? bc i dont think anyone calls this fourbet with a sooted connector or stuff like KQo.

i just seem to get the impression that fourbetting pre with the intention of checking this flop if called turns ur hand into a bluff preflop. where is my thought process wrong?

[baronzeus]

160 more to win about 730 (if he's all in) but he also has about 1300 behind, I think it's a pretty ez call 160:2000 or so.


also any idiot who minraises AA-KK pre isnt gonna be folding postflop.

[baronzeus]

clayton,

he called 600+ preflop. that's a sick amount to put in, and g00ber is a reasonable player. if hes tilting he might put that in with AK but that seems like a really dumb move.

pretty much every other time he is just flat calling preflop cuz he wants EM2 to make a move on the flop. Even if EM2 bets half pot on the flop it's better than pushing preflop (since EM2 will fold anything but AA, and prob KK)

[Post-Oak]

I agree with BZ that hand 1 you have to play for set value.

[KingNeo]

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hand 2 is perfect. no fking way he plays any hand but AA or KK like this...

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baron, can u please explain to me here what makes this play perfect, bc i fail to see it (and that means im not suggesting it isnt perfect, rather trying to understand how).

like, are we getting enough value out of this fourbet out of the blinds with QQ such that our image can get money out of hands like AK/AQ/JJ-22? bc i dont think anyone calls this fourbet with a sooted connector or stuff like KQo.

i just seem to get the impression that fourbetting pre with the intention of checking this flop if called turns ur hand into a bluff preflop. where is my thought process wrong?

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I agree with Clayton.