Is this a "ValueBluff"???

[bluffj00]

http://www.highstakesdb.com/forum/Topic68864-16-1.aspx

.. I don't get what imper1um is trying to accomplish by raising please explain?

[g-p]

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http://www.highstakesdb.com/forum/Topic68864-16-1.aspx

.. I don't get what imper1um is trying to accomplish by raising please explain?

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=0#Post10173860
Too busy to actually put the effort in required for a good solid FAQ. This will be a work in progress... for now we are going to start with a list of posts that will result in you being banned:

- starting new threads asking for $ swaps
- posting tourney hands
- posting absurd nose bleed hu hands with no attached analysis other than "OMG HOW DID HE CALL THIS1111!!!!"

[dlpnyc21]

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http://www.highstakesdb.com/forum/Topic68864-16-1.aspx

.. I don't get what imper1um is trying to accomplish by raising please explain?

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this looks to me like a very poor bluff, not a value bluff. He has nut blockers I guess? Jin played this pot very very well and I love his river bet here.

[king_of_drafts]

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http://www.highstakesdb.com/forum/Topic68864-16-1.aspx

.. I don't get what imper1um is trying to accomplish by raising please explain?

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=0#Post10173860
Too busy to actually put the effort in required for a good solid FAQ. This will be a work in progress... for now we are going to start with a list of posts that will result in you being banned:

- starting new threads asking for $ swaps
- posting tourney hands
- posting absurd nose bleed hu hands with no attached analysis other than "OMG HOW DID HE CALL THIS1111!!!!"

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I actually think this is kinda interesting if imper1um had a reason for bluffing/going for thin value here

[EmpireMaker2]

I hate whoever came up with this valuebluff concept......These threads need to stop

[ZeeJustinaments]

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I hate whoever came up with this valuebluff concept......These threads need to stop

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I don't understand the hate on the valuebluff concept. It seems to make sense to me. There are plenty of times where a bet like this could be good for more than one reason. You might get a better hand to fold and a worse one to call. Sure that specific time you're making that bet it's either a bluff or a value bet, but neither party involved knows what's actually happening. Not to mention the fact that if your opponent see you making bets like this, it will definitely make them think twice about what your bets actually mean. I like the value bluff! Been using it for awhile now, just didn't know what to call it.

[ZeeJustinaments]

In regards to the hand in question... It's not a bad example of what this play really is (though not a great one either). There were plenty of other hands jinso could've had where this play would've worked.

[HeheOkok]

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I hate whoever came up with this valuebluff concept......These threads need to stop

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I don't understand the hate on the valuebluff concept. It seems to make sense to me. There are plenty of times where a bet like this could be good for more than one reason. You might get a better hand to fold and a worse one to call. Sure that specific time you're making that bet it's either a bluff or a value bet, but neither party involved knows what's actually happening. Not to mention the fact that if your opponent see you making bets like this, it will definitely make them think twice about what your bets actually mean. I like the value bluff! Been using it for awhile now, just didn't know what to call it.

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No you haven't. You're just a sick donk.

[luegofuego]

looks like value straight up. he prob had a read, a bad read.

[ZeeJustinaments]

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No you haven't. You're just a sick donk.

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Been called worse. Did you even watch the hand? Do you even know what this discussion is about?