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10-15-2007, 09:59 AM
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Ethical Dilemma: Should I have done this?
Folks: I would appreciate some honest feedback.
I was playing a 5-table Sit-n-Go tourney at my local card room. I entered along with my friend Angus, who happens to be Scottish (he moved here over 10 years' ago, but still speaks with a very heavy accent). Anyhow, after about 45 minutes of play, Angus gets moved to my table and sits directly to my left. First of all, to avoid any potential conflict, I immediately raise my hand and address the table to let each one of them know that Angus and I are friends and that his mom actually drove both of us to the tourney. I did not want there to be any ambiguities. A few hands in, Angus suffered a bad beat to the woman on MY right. Angus looked at me and said softly (referring to the woman on my right) "f@cking c@nt called me with that [censored]!" Except, with his heavy accent, it sounded like he was saying something completely different. But, I DID KNOW what he said. Anyhow, the woman looks up and says, "hey! what did you just say?" Angus quickly said, I said "f@cking c@nt called me with that [censored]!" She said, okay. Now, obviously, she didn't understand what Angus was saying, but I did! I had a moral dillema between the card-players' code of honor, and my friendship with Angus. I quickly repeated what Angus said, but in clear English. I told the woman, "Excuse me, but you may not have heard him clearly, he said, 'f@cking c@nt called me with that [censored]!'" Now, she is clearly upset and calls the floor. The dealer overheard the exchange as well. The ruling was that I HAD TO TAKE a 20-minute timeout for swearing, while Angus had to take a 20-minute for not speaking English at the table! I don't think the ruling against me was fair, and it was not actually correct against Angus, although technically, I suppose, he was not speaking English. After the time out, we resume our play and both Angus and I bubbled the tourney and still had to wait nearly an hour for our ride home. I really wish I would have kept my big mouth shut. 
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#3
10-15-2007, 10:05 AM
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Re: Ethical Dilemma: Should I have done this?
Next time call her the same thing once she gets you the penalty.
This is a game of wills and I'm afraid you flinched first by settling for a single penalty.
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10-15-2007, 10:10 AM
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Re: Ethical Dilemma: Should I have done this?
shouldn't this go in BBV?
brag: you called the bitch out beat: penalty for calling the bitch out beat: you and your friend bubbled beat: friend's name is Angus beat: had your friend's mom drive you there
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#6
10-15-2007, 10:12 AM
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Re: Ethical Dilemma: Should I have done this?
Why say anything at all? Don't let the table know you two are friends -- I mean, it's a local card room and people are going to come together, so it's to be expected that some people are going to know each other whether they came together or are regulars and just chat it up. No need to say anything.
Also, if there is a discussion between the woman and your friend, why are you getting involved in it? If your friend has a very thick accent and they are accusing him of not using English at the table THEN you should probably say something just to make sure your friend isn't penalized because of his thick accent, but that's it.
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10-15-2007, 10:16 AM
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Re: Ethical Dilemma: Should I have done this?
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I really wish I would have kept my big mouth shut. [/ QUOTE ] It's a wise tournament director that recognizes that when these words are said by a Scotsman, its a term of endearment, but when said by an American, they're being abusive and need a penalty.
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