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Old 10-14-2007, 06:33 PM
holdem2000 holdem2000 is offline
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Default 200nl top two vs. turn 3-bet

Villain is 21/12 after 130 hands... AF is 4.3 so far but I hesitate to include it since most people read way too much into a small sample AF.

Comments on all decisions appreciated.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
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MP2: $206.35
CO: $203.40
BTN: $62.80
SB: $198
BB: $261.55
UTG: $201
Hero (UTG+1): $241
MP1: $125

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
UTG folds, Hero calls $2, 5 folds, BB checks

Flop: ($5) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $4</font>, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($13) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $14</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $42</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $70</font>, Hero ?
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Old 10-14-2007, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: 200nl top two vs. turn 3-bet

pf is not good. Since he's the BB I shove here since he can show up with all 2 pair combos. Sure he has K10 and T8 here some, but I think you can get it in.
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Old 10-14-2007, 06:49 PM
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Default Re: 200nl top two vs. turn 3-bet

These were pretty much my thoughts later (at the time it felt like he wouldn't be 3-betting without at least aces up since my hand could easily be aces up), I think more people will post in agreement with you so I'll go ahead and add this:

Turn: ($13) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $14</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $42</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $70</font>, Hero calls $28

River: ($153) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $68</font>, Hero folds ??

Now all I beat is A9 and maybe he'll turn Q9 into a bluff? Pretty slim chances he was 3-bet bluffing the turn without at least a flush draw, right?
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Old 10-14-2007, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: 200nl top two vs. turn 3-bet

yea...river fold is good.
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Old 10-15-2007, 01:25 AM
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Default Re: 200nl top two vs. turn 3-bet

River is definite fold, but I reraise flop here. There are too many scare cards that can come on the turn.
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Old 10-15-2007, 02:46 AM
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Default Re: 200nl top two vs. turn 3-bet

oh wow why did you raise the turn? Its a limped pot.


Obviously if your goal is to be a good tag with a wide range you need to be raising this pre. However, if there happens to be some limping in your game, then you definitely need to be limping hands like this to balance with your small pairs.

Also, as played i fold the turn. I'm pretty sure he has a straight 90+% of the time.
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:52 AM
Albert Moulton Albert Moulton is offline
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Default Re: 200nl top two vs. turn 3-bet

It's a limped pot. If you choose to limp AQ preflop instead of fold or raise, then don't get excited about 2-pair on a board that could easily support a straight. Just call the turn bet and reevaluate on the river bases on what it is and how much he bets.

Don't raise the turn. 2-pair on this board isn't worth all that much more than 1-pair. But since villain might have a draw or a lower 2-pair, it is worth a call rather than a fold. It is not worth a raise.

As played, fold to the big turn reraise.
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Old 10-15-2007, 03:04 PM
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Default Re: 200nl top two vs. turn 3-bet

Any thoughts on raising the flop though? Im sorta inbetween both raising and callin here. I'm curious about other people's thoughts on that.
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