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Old 11-25-2007, 09:01 PM
efficacy efficacy is offline
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Default standard river spot with 66

The one read I have on villain (38/20/2 over 200 hands) is from BvB: he waited for the turn to raise QJo on KTxT board and followed through on river unimproved. Probably doesn't matter much for this hand though.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#FF0000">MP 3-bets</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#FF0000">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#FF0000">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero

I think my options are b/f, c/c, and c/f. Please place in the order of your preference.
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Old 11-25-2007, 09:07 PM
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Default Re: standard river spot with 66

If he's good I like c/c, b/f, then c/f. Concur otherwise.
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Old 11-25-2007, 10:13 PM
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Default Re: standard river spot with 66

I think he'll value bet his AK/AQ hands, and any pair, thinking you're calling down with a weak A-high. He might even fire again with KQ thinking he might get you to fold A-high. I think c/c is probably best. I don't care much for b/f or c/f, I don't think you should do anything that involves folding once you make it this far.
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Old 11-25-2007, 10:45 PM
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Default Re: standard river spot with 66

I suspect c/c and donk collect the bet from AK/Q with roughly equal frequency, but c/c doesn't get bluff raised. The river donk does pretty much turn your hand over.
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Old 11-25-2007, 10:57 PM
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Default Re: standard river spot with 66

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The river donk does pretty much turn your hand over.

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You guys really play baby pairs like this regularly?
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Old 11-25-2007, 11:01 PM
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Default Re: standard river spot with 66

I really can't see you folding after calling the turn, check call I guess.
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Old 11-26-2007, 12:43 PM
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Default Re: standard river spot with 66

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The river donk does pretty much turn your hand over.

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You guys really play baby pairs like this regularly?

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Against a guy like this who is SD bound and have a bunch of overcards in his range I am c/r'ing the flop for value hoping he 3 bets AK
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Old 11-26-2007, 12:58 PM
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Default Re: standard river spot with 66

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The river donk does pretty much turn your hand over.

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You guys really play baby pairs like this regularly?

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Against a guy like this who is SD bound and have a bunch of overcards in his range I am c/r'ing the flop for value hoping he 3 bets AK

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I think I would rather play this way vs an opponent with a slightly tighter 3betting range. Villain in this hand will hit the J with a much larger % of his range than would a 27/17 type, correct?
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:07 PM
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Default Re: standard river spot with 66

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The river donk does pretty much turn your hand over.

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You guys really play baby pairs like this regularly?

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Against a guy like this who is SD bound and have a bunch of overcards in his range I am c/r'ing the flop for value hoping he 3 bets AK

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I think I would rather play this way vs an opponent with a slightly tighter 3betting range. Villain in this hand will hit the J with a much larger % of his range than would a 27/17 type, correct?

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Ehhh... maybe not. This kinda surprised me.

35.618% { 6c6h }
64.382% { 88+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+ }

39.011% { 6c6h }
60.989% { 55+, ATs+, KJs+, QTs+, JTs, AJo+, KQo, QJo }

I don't think it makes much of a difference though, if I remove ATs and 55, the equity vs both ranges is basically the same.
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:09 PM
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Default Re: standard river spot with 66

i might c/r flop, but river is c/c, b/f, c/f, its a mistake to peel the turn i think then fold a blank river. I think c/c is def the best option, no need to worry about getting value.
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