NL400 deep VS crazy fish, does anybody call this river?

_JerryD_ · #1 11-04-2007, 07:06 PM

This hand happened first a few orbits before and the villain very luckily doubled up:
Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($783.17)
BB ($810.15)
UTG ($479.50)
MP ($158.00)
Button (Villain) ($274.34)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Button (Villain) calls $4, Hero raises to $20, BB raises to $68, Button (Villain) calls $64, Hero raises to $212, BB folds, Button (Villain) calls $144.

Flop: ($492) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $492, Villain calls $62.34 (All-In).

Turn: ($1046.34) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($1046.34) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $1046.34
Villain SHOWS:
7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villain WINS

In my mind this a strong indication that we are dealing with a crazy man. He continued to call every bet I made pre-flop, cold called 3-bets often and made smallish crazy bluffs and min-bets. Then to the hand in question:
Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($827.64)
SB ($461.00)
BB ($514.12)
UTG ($329.18)
MP ($290.40)
CO (Villain) ($714.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $4, CO (Villain) calls $4, Hero raises to $32, 2 folds, MP folds, CO (Villain) calls $28.

Flop: ($74) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $68, Villain calls $68.

Turn: ($210) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $128, Villain calls $128.

River: ($466) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain bets $486.5 (All-In)
CALL???????????? We cover..

Do you guys find a call here or ez fold?

EDIT: Sorry for the hand conversion bloopers... New to this one.. Now it's fixed!

Nick Royale · #2 11-04-2007, 07:09 PM

Gah, please try the converter one more time and choose "2+2".

_JerryD_ · #3 11-04-2007, 07:10 PM

Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($827.64)
SB ($461.00)
BB ($514.12)
UTG ($329.18)
MP ($290.40)
CO (Villain) ($714.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $4, CO (Villain) calls $4, Hero raises to $32, 2 folds, MP folds, CO (Villain) calls $28.

Flop: ($74) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $68, Villain calls $68.

Turn: ($210) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $128, Villain calls $128.

River: ($466) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain bets $486.5 (All-In).
Call?

cbboy · #4 11-04-2007, 07:10 PM

Yeah seriously. That hurts my eyes.

cbboy · #5 11-04-2007, 07:12 PM

Way more on the turn. Hes a big station, why are you betting so little?

Yentz · #6 11-04-2007, 07:54 PM

As others said bet more on turn, he is probably calling pot with a flushdraw or whatever.

I call river against this guy, you need to be good ~35% which I would expect to be.

_JerryD_ · #7 11-04-2007, 10:42 PM

I called, he showed J9 and I felt sick to my stomach. I vomitted and continued to tilt many buy-ins.

Nice to hear that others would have made the call too. Yep, my turn bet was bad and too small. When I think of this now and think about this guy's style I think I should have folded this. He was too passive to make this bluff. This was a disgusting hand.

osc11 · #8 11-04-2007, 11:46 PM

i was typing this b4 i seen the outcome of the hand. i know theres a fl draw but i prolly check the turn there. villian is an odvious retard . so i could def put him on a 9. i like keeping the pot smaller and maybe call a 50/60 percent pot bet from him on river. the all in i insta fold there.

_JerryD_ · #9 11-05-2007, 12:00 AM

Yeah, i can understand checking behind in means of making it easier to play but i don't think it's +EV. I was thinking really hard about should I valuebet the turn or not. I could imagine easily him having the 9, but then again flush draw is very probable too and i don't like the check in that way. I think that's why I ended up betting too small on turn, I got a bit confused should i bet the turn or not and then rushed into it without thinking the size enough. But this been said there is a straight draw too and he could have practically anything so you can't really check the turn, just something that came to mind during the hand.

The river is a close one, i don't know is it a fold or not. I disagree about the insta fold part, but might be best to fold.

osc11 · #10 11-05-2007, 12:11 AM

i here ya with the insta fold. but vs a retarded maniac like that its a tough call for me. iys tough to try and think on the level of such an idiot like that guy. possible he coulda shoved after a missed draw. only problem imo is that he knows what u have pretty much for sure . its odv u have an overpair and he wants u 2 think he missed his draw and get a river call from u. i hate guys like him but i also love guys like him